Losing faith

[peterb999]

Yes , I have had similar comments at my doctors , not all nurses though , some understand more than others , as in my comment when first told I was diabetic , you can’t have prawn cocktail or should I say , can’t have prawns , when asked why , because people have them with Marie Rose sauce and as has already been said , nothing wrong with the sauce , that was from the diabetic nurse, I no longer see her for various reasons .

I had a similar thing about pepsi max with one doctor. He said it was bad for diabetics and I shouldn't drink it.
I asked why as there is literally 0% carbs in it, he finally told me that it's because studies have shown (couldn't tell me which studies) that people who drink diet drinks get hungry and eat a lot more food, especially sugary food.

I have dropped from 20 stone to 13.5 stone and still drink pepsi max (only about 2 cans a day with a meal) and I haven't felt the need to stuff my face with sugary foods at all.

 

[lessci]

Hi , I love cauliflower and sprouts ,unfortunately not a big fruit eater including berries , but nice to be told about cauliflower , underrated veg I think .

Grated it makes a good rice replacement and you can also use it as a mashed potato replacement too, courgette is also good as a pasta replacement, You don't need to eat fruit, I'm not a big fruit eater either, but berries are the lower carb ones

 

[John 2]

I had a similar thing about pepsi max with one doctor. He said it was bad for diabetics and I shouldn't drink it.
I asked why as there is literally 0% carbs in it, he finally told me that it's because studies have shown (couldn't tell me which studies) that people who drink diet drinks get hungry and eat a lot more food, especially sugary food.

I have dropped from 20 stone to 13.5 stone and still drink pepsi max (only about 2 cans a day with a meal) and I haven't felt the need to stuff my face with sugary foods at all.

When I first was told I was diabetic ,I attended a thing called Desmond , all about what you could eat and drink , loads of information , in fact , to much , but Coke and Pepsi zero max being two that was ok , so I agree with what you say , how far do you stretch things ,if I took things literally I would starve or be so lacking in some vitamins I would be worse off .

 

[John 2]

So , it’s been very interesting and informative posting on here and my thanks to you all for the info , it’s good to talk as the old ad used to say , the opinion I am forming and it is early days , is that given that diabetes is a national problem and a very expensive one for the N H S , not to mention the people that have it and can die or lose limbs or various other problems , is it not time that they re looked at things and started working together , it certainly seems out of date and at odds with each other as has been said , diabetes is not for just over weight people , it hits lots of others with type 2 and you do not need to be fat , on my first session at the Desmond meeting , people that did not have a weight problem also had it .

 

[Resurgam]

Strange thing about rice , when you look up about what to eat and not to eat as a diabetic , it says use brown rice all the time , I realise it’s not as bad , but I can’t find much info in how much better , regards yourself , everything I have read says it gets harder on losing weight and if you gain more muscle , then you get heavier , but you seem very determined and steady at doing it , so I take my hat off to you and wish you well for the future Ian .

As far as I can see there is no difference between brown and white carbs - but it might be because I chew what I eat.
I just don't eat grains - a far better solution to the problem from my point of view.
If the drain is blocked turning on the taps is not going to end well.
I was eating a low fat high carb diet for decades - being told it was healthy.
I gave up working for a while as I became unable to move the knitting machines I service, but after diagnosis and starting to eat protein and fat my strength has increased - even though I am 74 years old I can now lift and lower the machines and other fairly heavy items with ever increasing ease.

 

[lovinglife]

I had a similar thing about pepsi max with one doctor. He said it was bad for diabetics and I shouldn't drink it.
I asked why as there is literally 0% carbs in it, he finally told me that it's because studies have shown (couldn't tell me which studies) that people who drink diet drinks get hungry and eat a lot more food, especially sugary food.

I have dropped from 20 stone to 13.5 stone and still drink pepsi max (only about 2 cans a day with a meal) and I haven't felt the need to stuff my face with sugary foods at all.

Your doctor may have a point for SOME people, for me it doesn’t happen, but I only drink a small glass with food, about half a can. Some members here have reported a rise in BG & hunger from artificial sweeteners

There are lots of studies that back up the fact that the sweet taste it can trigger an insulin response, which in turn triggers hunger. Just one article

Is Diet Soda a Healthy Choice?

For those trying to adopt a healthier lifestyle, diet soda might seem like a sensible option. Learn why artificial sweeteners may be more harmful than sugar.

www.uhhospitals.org

Weight Gain & Disrupted Hunger Signals. The artificial sweeteners in diet soda trigger the same response in the brain as real sugar. The moment "sweetness” is detected, it signals the body to release hormones to process the sugar. And because diet soda is hyper-sweetened, it can trigger cravings for more sweet, high-calorie foods leading to weight gain and belly fat in particular.

 

[John 2]

Your doctor may have a point for SOME people, for me it doesn’t happen, but I only drink a small glass with food, about half a can. Some members here have reported a rise in BG & hunger from artificial sweeteners

There are lots of studies that back up the fact that the sweet taste it can trigger an insulin response, which in turn triggers hunger. Just one article

Is Diet Soda a Healthy Choice?

For those trying to adopt a healthier lifestyle, diet soda might seem like a sensible option. Learn why artificial sweeteners may be more harmful than sugar.

www.uhhospitals.org

Weight Gain & Disrupted Hunger Signals. The artificial sweeteners in diet soda trigger the same response in the brain as real sugar. The moment "sweetness” is detected, it signals the body to release hormones to process the sugar. And because diet soda is hyper-sweetened, it can trigger cravings for more sweet, high-calorie foods leading to weight gain and belly fat in particular.

Does that meal sweeteners are a wast of time then .

 

[John 2]

So , was supposed to have had phone call about results yesterday at 15.20 , did not happen so I rang surgery and asked if I was getting the call , yes I was told , nurse had a patient in with them and one more to see and then I would get the call , never happened , I am aware my comment is not strictly about diabetics and more a rant about my surgery , but I bet I am not the only one that gets let down by the system .

 

[KennyA]

Does that meal sweeteners are a wast of time then .

It doesn't. The medical science (I'm taking this from Bilous and Donnelly's Handbook of Diabetes) currently says that insulin responses (which would lead to blood glucose falls, rather than rises) are chemically triggered by the presence of glucose, rather than by the taste of sweetness. This happens, for example, when glucose is given intravenously - no sweetness, no taste, but the glucose would (should) still trigger an insulin response.

The link above has this quote from the author, which did stop me short:

“Even though drinking a moderate amount of diet soda isn’t likely to hurt you, it has no nutritional value and offers no benefit to human consumption” says Dr. Wolf. “It’s better to quench your thirst with healthier alternatives like water, seltzer and unsweetened tea or coffee.”

“If you choose to occasionally indulge in soda, it’s better to choose one made with real sugar instead of diet versions with all the chemicals and additives. As always, moderation is key.”

I use stevia for coffee sometimes and I also drink quite a bit of caffeinated stuff from cans. It has absolutely no impact on my BG.

 

[IanBish]

I use stevia for coffee sometimes and I also drink quite a bit of caffeinated stuff from cans. It has absolutely no impact on my BG.

I use sucralose and it didn't and doesn't have any impact either. I'd prefer to use stevia, but it tastes a bit weird to me.

 

[John 2]

It doesn't. The medical science (I'm taking this from Bilous and Donnelly's Handbook of Diabetes) currently says that insulin responses (which would lead to blood glucose falls, rather than rises) are chemically triggered by the presence of glucose, rather than by the taste of sweetness. This happens, for example, when glucose is given intravenously - no sweetness, no taste, but the glucose would (should) still trigger an insulin response.

The link above has this quote from the author, which did stop me short:

“Even though drinking a moderate amount of diet soda isn’t likely to hurt you, it has no nutritional value and offers no benefit to human consumption” says Dr. Wolf. “It’s better to quench your thirst with healthier alternatives like water, seltzer and unsweetened tea or coffee.”

“If you choose to occasionally indulge in soda, it’s better to choose one made with real sugar instead of diet versions with all the chemicals and additives. As always, moderation is key.”

I use stevia for coffee sometimes and I also drink quite a bit of caffeinated stuff from cans. It has absolutely no impact on my BG.

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