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Low Carb Diets - What Is Missing? Part 2

Wrunkelt

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I have decided to post this as Part 2 since the original post seems to be high jacked?

When first diagnosed I began a process of intensive testing of food types, a sample of which is shown below. The first 4 food types are examples of foods containing a high percentage of carbohydrates.

One banana causes me an average rise in BG of 1.90 mmol/L.
One slice of wholemeal bread causes me an average rise in BG of 2.00 mmol/L.
100g of plain pasta causes me an average rise in BG of 2.60 mmol/L.
100 g of white rice causes me an average rise in BG of 3.00 mmol/L.

I decided to replace the first 4 food types with any food type that contained less than or equal to 6g carbohydrate per 100g of food type. Some examples considered include replacing a banana by raspberries, replacing toasted bread by a cheese omelette, replacing pasta with broccoli, cauliflower cheese and/or spinach, replacing rice with “cauliflower fried rice” and onions, chilli powder and spinach.

The next 6 food types are typical of the replacement foods. It is important to realise that the 6 food types represent only a small sample of the food types satisfying the criterion of less than or equal to 6g carbohydrate per 100g of food type.

100g of broccoli causes me an average rise in BG of 0.20 mmol/L
100g of cauliflower causes me an average rise in BG of 0.10 mmol/L
100g of cauliflower cheese causes me an average rise in BG of 0.50 mmol/L
100g of cheese omelette causes me an average rise in BG of 0.01 mmol/L
100g of raspberries causes me an average rise in BG of 0.60 mmol/L
100g of spinach causes me an average rise in BG of 0.12 mmol/L

It seems that I can replace 100g of high carb food types with several combinations of 100g of several low carb food types. However, there is the question of nutritional levels. Does the replacement result in a net gain/loss of essential nutrients.

With this in mind I went back to my initial testing notes and with the aid of the website

http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/sprea ... cofids.xls

determined that there large gains in dietary fibre, calcium and also large gains in the nutrient intake from the above replacement. Consider vitamin C, the replacements results in a net gain of 103mg from 11mg to 114mg.

The government website referenced above also provides further details of food content eg inorganics, vitamin fractions, etc. Also different substitutions may be considered but these are left to the interested reader.

I conclude that with the above replacements I am in little danger constipation (more dietary fibre), osteoporosis (more calcium) or scurvy (more vitamin C)!
 
I admire your persistence, Wrunkelt.

You must have gone for days eating meals that just consisted of 100g of whichever food you were testing. Were the weights cooked or uncooked?

Viv 8)
 
Hi Wrunkelt,

Thank you for the interesting topic. It sounds to me like you have been very methodical in your approach.

I think that what you are saying is that different foods effect BG levels in different ways . The high carb food caused high average BG readings in comparison to the replacement foods which gave comparative low average BG readings.

Bearing this in mind you then wanted to know whether using replacement foods in place of high carb foods (presumably in order to maintain better overall BG control) would provide the levels of essential nutrients needed. The answer being that these essential nutrients were more than covered by the replacement foods.

Have I got it right?

If so it all sounds very sensible to me. Why all the fuss? I’m new here and a lot of it is over my head.

Sparkles.
 
Dont you mean medical not methodical !

If foods push your blood glucose up surely it will depend where you are starting from - you did not mention that!
 
100g of anything causes me problems!!!!!! I would be hugely obese if I ate any of that 5 times over!!!!!
 
ally5555 said:
Dont you mean medical not methodical !

If foods push your blood glucose up surely it will depend where you are starting from - you did not mention that!

Yes to a certain extent you are right...

The amount the blood glucose will rise can be dependant on what the starting blood glucose was, as this can change the resistence of the insulin.. But other factors can also come into play, such as exercise that you may have done before, even a slight difference in room temperature..

So these details would be give a more accurate detail..

Banana's and fruit are general difficult ones as they amount the could raise your BG in an hour will be dependant on their ripeness, the riper they are the quicker they hit the system
 
Within 3 months, the strategy of using nutrient rich fruit and vegetable having 6 gm of carbohydrates per 100 gm of product had brought my HbA1c down from 8.4 to 5.1%. Now 40 months after diagnosis my HbA1c has ranged between 5.1 - 5.4%
 
Sorry Wrunkelt...your months and your log in details do not tally up.......you state in total 43 months and yet your sign in states that you have only been diagnosed for 1 year????

Your hba1c's are no different to many of ours who aren't so obsessive about ratio's/carbs etc.

Do you literally analyse everything for months on end and calculate all the ratio's etc of 6gm to 100gm etc????
 
Wrunkelt said:
Within 3 months, the strategy of using nutrient rich fruit and vegetable having 6 gm of carbohydrates per 100 gm of product had brought my HbA1c down from 8.4 to 5.1%. Now 40 months after diagnosis my HbA1c has ranged between 5.1 - 5.4%

Congratulations Eddy :D But how are your numbers relevant to anyone else?

Within 3 months of diagnosis using a reduced carb and reduced portion diet my HbA1c dropped from 12.6% to 5.4% :roll: Now 27 months after diagnosis my HbA1c has ranged between 5.1% and 5.7%. last A1c was 5.6%.

So what!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you suggesting that every diabetic is exactly the same and your results can be achieved by everyone using similar levels of medication as yourself?

That would be wonderful wouldn't it, but sadly we both know that that is not the case and every T2 diabetic will have different levels of insulin resistance and pancreatic function.

Not every diabetic needs or wants to eat the levels of carbs and fat that you do, please accept that and try move on :D
 
Misleading people is dangerous as well...don't sign on as a person with type 2 for 1 year, when your untruths will unfold before you...43 months I counted in your last posting.....

Sid Bonkers, I have to agree.....what has always been said on this forum is that people are individuals and all our bodies work differently (having read about all this obsessive behaviour)-boy, I am so glad of this that we are all so different....

Our lives are about diabetes living with us, not being obsessive to the extreme that ...we end up with diabetes, carbs, cals. fat etc overtaking our live's. We have one life...fullstop...

All I can say is what I said before...there are many, many, many people that achieve great hba1c's without being extreme and getting on with their lives and enjoying themselves away from making food etc their number 1 priority.....

We are all individuals....
 
donnellysdogs said:
Misleading people is dangerous as well...don't sign on as a person with type 2 for 1 year, when your untruths will unfold before you...43 months I counted in your last posting.....

Sid Bonkers, I have to agree.....what has always been said on this forum is that people are individuals and all our bodies work differently (having read about all this obsessive behaviour)-boy, I am so glad of this that we are all so different....

Our lives are about diabetes living with us, not being obsessive to the extreme that ...we end up with diabetes, carbs, cals. fat etc overtaking our live's. We have one life...fullstop...

All I can say is what I said before...there are many, many, many people that achieve great hba1c's without being extreme and getting on with their lives and enjoying themselves away from making food etc their number 1 priority.....

We are all individuals....

I agree :) Good numbers can be acheived without such a strict testing regime to gain that information!

The only thing i would mention about the number of years is that i had to change mine manually to 2 years instead of one as i noticed when i accidentally clicked my name and it popped up and still said 1 year when i had entered when i'd been diagnosed, it it may not be intentional to put 1 year, or it may never have been edited in the first place.

I think the original post was to ask if by following this idea of replacing high carb food with similar low carb food was there a lack of nutrition, however the OP also posted a link that pretty much answered that question anyway and concluded at the bottom he was low risk of getting any issues to do with lack of certain vitamins?

This forum is starting to get weirder and weirder posts, seemingly hell bent on starting issues amongst members by posting controversial posts on diets!

:roll:
 
Wrunkelt......... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You really do crack me up with your could be seen as offensive. Whatever next..... :D

BTW....I know the reason you started another thread in the same vein is because you have personal comment so I will help you out and give the link to the previous one here. Anytime you need a hand just let me know.......... :D

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=21916
 
Wrunkelt said:
Within 3 months, the strategy of using nutrient rich fruit and vegetable having 6 gm of carbohydrates per 100 gm of product had brought my HbA1c down from 8.4 to 5.1%. Now 40 months after diagnosis my HbA1c has ranged between 5.1 - 5.4%

I can beat that. 11.9 down to 5.1 :D

As you say, choose good foods, the rest is easy.
 
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