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Low Carb Diets

The whole vegan thing has never made sense to me, so I've never read too much of their stuff. But one criticism I've seen of HCLF is that the improvements those diets make to HbA1c are positively miniscule. Just comparing the results of Barnard's studies to those of Virta where massive changes are achieved, I wouldn't bother. OTOH, vegetarian versions of LCHF can also have beneficial effects. I know there are versions of LCHF vegan, but that would be a very complex diet for a non-professional to figure out for themselves.

The vegan proponents also tend to 'confuse' (hard to believe it's not deliberate) physiological insulin resistance, which is a perfectly normal response to LCHF, with hepatic insulin resistance which the main driver of Type 2 diabetes:

https://www.marksdailyapple.com/do-low-carb-diets-cause-insulin-resistance/

This is Dr Phinney's blog on LCHF and thyroid:
https://blog.virtahealth.com/does-your-thyroid-need-dietary-carbohydrates/
 
I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist.....but
There are some extremely powerful and very well funded (enough to support massive sponsorship deals to major global sporting events) vested interests in this country and abroad who do not wish to see reductions in carbohydrate consumption by the general population. Landowners, farmers, producers, suppliers, retailers.

Expect to see studies supporting that thesis. Then hop on the scales and ask yourself if their money weighs more than you do.
 
Julie27318 said:
I have just come across somthing on Google which says that Low carb diets are the easiest way to develop insulin resistance!!Scientists induced Insulin resistance and Diabetes by feeding laboratory Animals a diet high in fat and protein and low in carbs.Low carb diets significantly increased chronic disease risk in the long term!!!now don't know what to do this site says that's what we should be doing and now this!!!..if it's going to cause problems in the long term!!!
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Well, this is all very confusing but...... using my simple brain and just today’s experience I will take my chances of possibly getting those chronic diseases rather than definitely raising my BG and worsening the symptoms of high BG that I already definitely have.
I spent the day on 7s and 8s eating eggs, meat etc. with a spike of 11.5 after eating fruit. If I eat carbs all day that won’t be a spike , it’ll be permanent.
I’m only 5 weeks into this, I’m not gaining weight, in fact I’m skinny and need to gain weight.
I’ll take my chances with all the other risks and see what future tests bring and be happy that LCHF is helping with a problem I know for sure that I have.
 
I have a horse with an insulin disorder (the irony did not escape me when I was diagnosed LADA T1 last year). We manage it through v low sugar and starch diet adding fat for energy. The various vet hospitals have done a huge amount of research to prove the horse equivalent of LCHF is the healthiest way forward.

I'll read this animal research with interest later when I'm at work...
 
Im type 2 and low carb really works for me, no rice or pasta and maybe 1 slice of wholemeal or brown bread ( shared cheese sandwhich with the missus) after we get out of the gym. What carbs i do take comes from vegetables, curly kale , courgettes. Ive come off canagliflozin totally about 6 weeks ago and cut my metformin down to 2 a day and my bloods 2 hour post prandial are still in the 5.5 to 6.5 range so am looking at dropping metformin again when i pluck up the courage!
 
By pure serendipity, someone posted this graph on Twitter today which shows the pathetic results from Barnard's study:

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hooose said:
Im type 2 and low carb really works for me, no rice or pasta and maybe 1 slice of wholemeal or brown bread ( shared cheese sandwhich with the missus) after we get out of the gym. What carbs i do take comes from vegetables, curly kale , courgettes. Ive come off canagliflozin totally about 6 weeks ago and cut my metformin down to 2 a day and my bloods 2 hour post prandial are still in the 5.5 to 6.5 range so am looking at dropping metformin again when i pluck up the courage!
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Well done that Man! And well done to your wife, too.
 
@Julie27318
The point you've missed is that these mice began as non insulin resistant. Unfortunately, for many T2s here we we're already insulin resistant before diagnosis. I can guarantee that it was not caused by a lack of carbohydrates. For someone who is already a T2 then lowering quickly digestible carbohydrate intake makes sense.

If somebody has a peanut allergy we tell them to stop eating peanuts.
Those that are lactose intolerant are told to forego dairy.
Those that are carbohydrate sensitive are not improved by dining on more carbohydrates.

The higher fat content simply stems from the fact that we need a minimum number of kJ to function. There are only three sources. Carbohydrates, proteins and fats. Naturally, diminution of carbohydrates must by default lift the required level of the remaining two for the same kJ intake.
 
Rats are not humans.

We eat varieties of foods and animal laboratory tests are NOT valid enough to set humans living standards.

However, there is no scientific evidence that high fat diet is good for diabetics. Low fat diet, Low carb and omega 3 protein is what diabetic should take.
 
achike said:
Rats are not humans.

We eat varieties of foods and animal laboratory tests are NOT valid enough to set humans living standards.

However, there is no scientific evidence that high fat diet is good for diabetics. Low fat diet, Low carb and omega 3 protein is what diabetic should take.
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There are 3 macronutrients - fats, proteins and carbs.
If we drastically cut two of them (fats and carbs) then we would need to dramatically increase protein intake, to compensate. Or starve.
Is that what you are suggesting? That we should all eat mainly protein? (as a carnivore myself at the moment, I have no problem with this, but the number of people willing to live on just meat/protein foods are very few and far between)

Incidentally, omega 3 is a fat, not a protein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid
 
hooose said:
maybe 1 slice of wholemeal or brown bread ( shared cheese sandwhich with the missus) after we get out of the gym. What carbs i do take comes from vegetables, curly kale , courgettes
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Great that you and your missus hit the gym together. AND that you eat kale!!! You are going to live forever. Personally, I wouldn't give up Metformin if it meant raising my bg by the least little bit. I have chosen to take the maximum dose very much against my GP's inclination, but she humours my weird desire for low bgs.
 
Alexandra100 said:
Great that you and your missus hit the gym together. AND that you eat kale!!! You are going to live forever. Personally, I wouldn't give up Metformin if it meant raising my bg by the least little bit. I have chosen to take the maximum dose very much against my GP's inclination, but she humours my weird desire for low bgs.
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I replaced brown rice and wholemeal pasta with kale and kaylets
 
Brunneria said:
the number of people willing to live on just meat/protein foods are very few and far between)
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Surely not just unwilling but unable. I don't see how the world population even at the level it is right now can be fed on unadulterated animal protein. This is not to say that those of us who need to eat mainly animal protein to stay healthy should sacrifice ourselves for the welfare of the planet.
 
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