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Low-Carbohydrate Diets and All-Cause Mortality:

Great find, Yorksman!

As for my diet, I have low carb porridge for brekkie (ground almonds, wheat bran, ground linseed with almond milk), nuts for a snack, salad for lunch, and for dinner I generally substitute mashed/grated cauliflower for mashed potato/rice and have whatever I want (within reason) with it. As for activity I go to the gym a few times a week and have rugby training in the week and play on the weekend.

Don't forget, your body can use dietary fat as well as dietary glucose as an energy source.
 
Superchip said:
well, ihar, I have perused your american food listing, I should say that almost all do not apply to me.
and what the dickens is winter squash ? is that a vegetable ?

I eat lots of good quality meats and a limited quantity of above ground veg like brocolli and brussels ( under protest ! )
pork scratchings ( deep fried pig skin and fat ) as an occasional treat. Lots of cheeses, eggs (2 dozen a week at least )
Condiments - salt , black pepper, soy, all curry spices. I make my own stocks
Drinks wise, whisky,vodka and red wine in varying amounts based on mood, NO mixers other that soda water ( 0 carbs )
Single cream in coffee and tea.

If you require any more dietary advice, feel free to ask.

Regards Superchip
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my apologies, if you are eating that daily you may well be on, or about 30g a day, *bows*
apologies for the american weightings, im British but it was the first decent list i could find. i tend to forget most people dont convert weights on a regular basis
a winter squash is a squash, similar to a butternut, or more like a kabotcha, tasty tasty!
not so much dietry advice, but average wieghts/ calories consumed and a general idea of you level of activity.
EDIT ohhh, and your calorific intake? interested in seeing how much you consume to cover ATp and GTP loss
you are not, for example. sprinting on a regular basis.
red wine must be a huge treat for you :)
 
Eating that kind of quantity of meats is not healthy and not something I could do so I probably couldn't get enough to convert into glucose. Cholesterol of over 6 is considered high, no doubt contributed to by pork scratchings :shifty:
 
minimimmimoo said:
Eating that kind of quantity of meats is not healthy and not something I could do so I probably couldn't get enough to convert into glucose. Cholesterol of over 6 is considered high, no doubt contributed to by pork scratchings :shifty:
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actually it is possible, high protien intake to cover muscle loss as conversion to glucose is inevitable, high calorific content to cover ATP and GTP loss,
not so good for the heart tho.
but as he says, no exercise, if i tried that, id pass out on my way to work everyday.
 
SamJB said:
Great find, Yorksman!

As for my diet, I have low carb porridge for brekkie (ground almonds, wheat bran, ground linseed with almond milk), nuts for a snack, salad for lunch, and for dinner I generally substitute mashed/grated cauliflower for mashed potato/rice and have whatever I want (within reason) with it. As for activity I go to the gym a few times a week and have rugby training in the week and play on the weekend.

Don't forget, your body can use dietary fat as well as dietary glucose as an energy source.
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see this i doubt is 40g of carbs a day,
i mean, just looking at breakfast,
assuming 100g of almonds and 250g almond milk your'e looking at 26g of carbs right there (i doubt hes eating 100g in a serving, but still)
but without further information, specifically portion size, you cant tell,
 
ihar,

2 things 1. I do not work 2. read my signature , I'm 18 years post heart transplant, perfect diet for MY newish heart.
3. thanks for reply . 4. red wine is not a treat , it's essential ! 5. I can't count !

Yorksman your comment about Eskimo's had me in fits and reaching for the bottle !

Keep calm eat fat and carry on !

Superchip
 
Ilnar. That's the problem, it's not good for the heart or your arteries as a whole. I can't eat it because I can't manage to eat more meat than that without feeling sick and just cutting down on more carb would probably leave me very tired and very hungry.

A cholesterol of up to 5 is ok for a non diabetic, diabetics should aim for lower. It took me a year to get it from 5.1 to 4.2 so couldn't really risk it.

How much meat would I need for the same weight of carb in terms of glucose conversion? I could probably manage to eat a little extra fsh :D
 
Hi Minimoo

The point you make about the brain needing carbs I'm afraid is a bit misleading. The brain needs glucose specifically and this can be obtained directly from glucose in the blood or glucose delivered form the liver and this can be indirectly derived from fats and proteins. The link you provide i.e. http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/carbs.html is also misleading. It says, correctly that the brain needs glucose but quite incorrectly implies this only comes from carbs derived from starches and sugars ignoring what the liver can deliver. It's this misleading info that helps the 'professionals' go on about needing to eat carbs to keep the brain working which is not correct; you need to eat 'food' to keep your brain working.
 
It's a rough estimate. I just avoid the typical carb foods (rice, potato, grains etc). Here's the recipe for the LC porridge:

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=36803&start=135#p375959

Per portion it's 15g ground almonds (~1g carbs), 15g wheat bran (~3g carbs) and 20g of ground linseed (<1 g carbs). I use unsweetened almond milk. Don't forget to use UK sites when googling for nutritional info as US ones don't subtract the fibre form the carbs.
 
Daibell said:
Hi Minimoo

The point you make about the brain needing carbs I'm afraid is a bit misleading. The brain needs glucose specifically and this can be obtained directly from glucose in the blood or glucose delivered form the liver and this can be indirectly derived from fats and proteins. The link you provide i.e. http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/carbs.html is also misleading. It says, correctly that the brain needs glucose but quite incorrectly implies this only comes from carbs derived from starches and sugars ignoring what the liver can deliver. It's this misleading info that helps the 'professionals' go on about needing to eat carbs to keep the brain working which is not correct; you need to eat 'food' to keep your brain working.
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true, but also misleading
bother, i cant copy a table in here, right, i dont expect anyone to read this so ill quickly add the summery

Clearly the below represents a pretty drastic range of carbohydrate requirements, depending on the specifics. For a typical male with 160 pounds of lean body mass, daily carbohydrate intake could range from the physiological requirement of zero grams per day to a near maximum of 1120 g/day during a carb-load. Which makes it no wonder that people are confused.
Simply, the question “How Many Carbohydrates Do You Need?” has no singular answer. The goals of the person, the amount and type of activity, their individual needs (e.g. insulin sensitive vs. resistant, whether or not they function well in ketosis or not), their individual goals all determine how many carbs are ideal in the diet.
apologies,

Circumstance Carbohydrate Requirement1 Grams for an athlete with 160 lbs. LBM

Physiological Requirement 0 g/day 0 g/day

PracticalMinimum to Avoid Muscle Breakdown2 50 g/day 50 g/day

Practical Minimum for Individuals Who Function Poorly In Ketosis3 100-120 g/day 100-120 g/day

Additional Amount to Sustain Low Intensity Exercise Minimal approaching zero Minimal approaching zero

Additional Amount Needed to Sustain Weight Training 5 g carbs. per 2 work sets4 5 g carbs. per 2 work sets4

Average Recommendations in Bodybuilding Nutrition 1-3 g/lb. 160-480 g/day

Average Recommendations by Mainstream Nutritionists 2-3 g/lb 320-480 g/day

Average Intake for Endurance Athletes 2 g/lb 320 g/day

Recommended Intake for Endurance Athletes 3-4.5 g/lb 480-720 g/day

Practical Maximum for Non-Carb Loading Individuals 4 g/lb 640 g/day

Maximal Intakes for Carb-Loading ~7 g/lb 1120 g/day
 
minimimmimoo said:
I can't eat it because I can't manage to eat more meat than that without feeling sick
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That's fine, but probably a personal choice :thumbup:
minimimmimoo said:
and just cutting down on more carb would probably leave me very tired and very hungry.
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I found that by cutting carbs, I became energised and lost my craving for cary food 8)
minimimmimoo said:
A cholesterol of up to 5 is ok for a non diabetic, diabetics should aim for lower. It took me a year to get it from 5.1 to 4.2 so couldn't really risk it.
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I maintain cholsterols in the 3.xs s on my low carb/higher fat diet (Cholesterols in diet tend not to up blood cholesterols, carbs do!)
minimimmimoo said:
How much meat would I need for the same weight of carb in terms of glucose conversion? I could probably manage to eat a little extra fsh :D
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Fish is good ,esp oily fish to up your fats! :thumbup:
 
http://www.livestrong.com/article/50913 ... -brain-liv


''Ultimately, a lack of carbohydrates, in combination with a lack of other sources of nutrition, will overwhelm your body's ability to produce and conserve glucose. Potential brain-related effects of this state of malnutrition include permanent mental impairment and incomplete development of the nervous system. In the liver, malnutrition can lead to the reduced production of a form of protein called albumin, which plays several vital roles in the function of your blood vessels and the transport of various substances in your bloodstream'

based on text book references which are peer reviewed ergo scientifically sound
 
Puffins prefer Omega 3 fatty acids

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no sorry, that article is about starvation, assuming no malnutrition in a low carb diet, its not applicable :)
and im on your side!
its a good read tho,

yorksman, you arent a puffin, our brain glucose requirements are much higher,
 
I am sure that puffins are a great source of fat and protein !
 
Superchip said:
1. To all, I was merely saying that I consume (orally) less than 30 g of carbs a day, I do compute the totals ingested.
2. Whisky and vodka contain virtually zero carbs, wine ( red ) about 3-5 g per standard glass.
3. Like SamJB the booze does not raise my BG, normally has a beneficial effect which has to be observed when medicating.

RRB I did not say that I was not eating carbs, just less than 30 g.
ihar so you know more about my carb consumption than I do ? perhaps you would care to tell the assembled forumites where I am getting all these extra carbs.

All imvho Superchip

P.S hanadr makes some excellent points
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Hi superchip

Thanks for your reply, but I didn't say you weren't eating carbs I just asked a question. You quoted " Please supply clinical evidence that the brain needs carbs to function" if carbs do not, then why do you eat any carbs any all? One word about carbs, HYPO's.

We get hypo's, out of the blue, for what ever reason and as I have mentioned before, they can keep me alive and get me up and running very quickly and also not forgetting very active and growing children and young adolescents. I need carbs, I am a very busy person, always on the go, don't drive either, so a fair bit of walking as well.

Finally, many, many people make some excellent posts on here, not all, but many. It's whether you agree or disagree with them, that's the fine line, also imvho

Best wishes RRB :)
 
ilnar (correct this time ! ) thanks for the link...
shurly they mean muffins ? let's not bring in the mules !

RRB I do not have hypo's, well not according to my meter anyway.
Walking is good, we don't have to exert ourselves, not imho.

Now, do I open this next bottle, checking BG, yup ! alles gut !

Be happy
 
Superchip said:
ilnar (correct this time ! ) thanks for the link...
shurly they mean muffins ? let's not bring in the mules !

RRB I do not have hypo's, well not according to my meter anyway.
Walking is good, we don't have to exert ourselves, not imho.

Now, do I open this next bottle, checking BG, yup ! alles gut !

Be happy
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Hi again, I did ask why you eat carbs, if according to you, we don't need them to function :? and of course people don't need to exert themselves if they don't want to or can't, and I don't exert myself when walking nor when being busy :D

Thanks RRB :)
 
RRB
I don't think that we need them to function, I just like a slice of bergen or two with marmite ! ( sometimes )
and of course the red wine. My original reply was just to say that my consumption of carbs was <30 g a day and my brain function was fine - that's it ! I am not suggesting for 1 minute that we should all be on zero carbs ! even the scratchings are 1% carb !
The first bottle is kicking in, this is getting old and I've got to go and cook for 4 hungry, carb eating bu**ers !

Thanks for the chat buddy, later

Superchip
 
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