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Moving from Low Carb to Higher levels

@Positive so low carb works for you and having carbs (esp weetabix) seems it isn't. You are having a large spike from it and hungry by lunch. Please be careful you don't make yourself feel ill
 
@Positive - please take this post in the context I intend, which is complimentary to you and Andrew, and this thread as a whole.

Whilst I am sorry you are noticing, perhaps, a downside of reintroducing some carbs for you, I thank you for posting about it. For balance, and education and confidence building it is important this whole thread (or any other like it) isn't a hurrah, 100% positive message! because we know this condition is so variable.

Perhaps, given more time, and even a gentler reintroduction, you may become more carb tolerant. Controversially, perhaps, I might challenge how you know that, ".......During ND diet no fat and protein or dairy for 2 months. So all cells must be healthy and skinny..........."? As I understand it, we each have a personal fat threshold, which we might nor might not breach in 2 months. I understand it's both fat in the liver and visceral fat that count. Please if my last statement is erroneous, please correct me someone. It may take longer for you to breach your personal barrier.

Personally, although i am making progress on my own journey, I would not, under any circumstances declare I've cracked it, or,hit on my long term way of living. But, I'm doing my best to get along in a way that suits me and those I live closely with.

On an aside, I would be curious to be able to make an accuracy assessment of my remaining visceral fat, so that I could track that longer term. I bought an Omron Body Composition Monitor, which uses multi-point measurements, via hands, as well as feet, but this only returns scores on a scale of 1 - 30, which doesn't tell me much, aside from the concept that under 7 is "normal". The full body fat percentage is clearer. Any suggestions anyone?
 
Thank you for this thread , I don't do Lchf diet I have lost 3 stones on low fat and medium carb sometimes low carb or low GI diet ....I do a bit of a mix really. The science of it I could never begin to explain ! I will just continue with what seems to work for me and my veggie diet...
But I have got some control with my hba1 c levels , increased my exercise and just want to loose one more stone to be me again ( have to give that path way some thought)
We are all so different , it is interesting to hear about different peoples approaches, hope others feel,able to share their individual diet choices ....
Everyone should feel,comfortable in saying what diet choices or eating habits they follow...we really are all individual ....

I never ever really ate high carbs, my weight just piled on so quickly when my thyroid stopped working and I became so thirsty with no engery , fizzy lucozade became my survival kit .....had no idea at the time what was wrong ....I actually hate lucozade....

Now I can walk 4 miles a day in one hour ....or I can go into very lazy mode if it's raining or I feel really tired....

I think we all deserve a hugh pat on the back because we are all trying in our own ways to improve and maintain our health ....x
 
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and visceral fat should be under 9
 
you must be one slim lady then. Do you recommend getting one? Some one at work keeps telling me to get one but he is one of those triathlete types
 
Andrew Colvin said:
you must be one slim lady then. Do you recommend getting one? Some one at work keeps telling me to get one but he is one of those triathlete types
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Well, someone asked me recently if I was an ultra distance runner as I carry no padding and my limbs are quite sinewy and defined, with lots of Madonna styleeee standy-outy veins. (Certainly the latter bit isn't a feminine look.) He thought he was paying me an immense compliment, but he had also had quite a bit of the local firewater at the time. Apparently, on Hawaii, from whence he came, they have beach gyms where "people like me go"..... I don't think so! Beach gym? Computer says, No!

I'm actually just an older version of my athletic body I had when competing at national levels, at my prime, so I'd probably say it's about where I am comfortable.
 
Yes you all are right I should not try Weetabix.now I know It spikes my BS. Also 20g was too little for me to stay till lunch time.
With my lunch -slice of hover brown bread after one hour BS 6.3, (last half hr was running in one place for 10min and bike 15 min, thought that was very effective than just doing the bike), after 2 hrs 5.2 and after 3 hrs 6.3 after 4 hrs 5.3. Had half liter tea made with semi skimmed milk and water in between. So I can have a slice of brown bread without spiking BS too much. Sorry forgot to mention that I took half teaspoon of Saigon cinnamon powder just after lunch. Read somewhere that it reduces 30% BS levels but should not take more than 1.5 tsp in a day.
I will be joining the gym this will help too.
I do not think I ever got rid of my visceral fat.I will target that soon too so it may improve my BS levels. Cant say one will beat diabetes but certainly can improve, good eg is Andrew.
@AndBreathe, I have been reading stuff and making my own conclusions about skinny and healthy cells since starving oneself help to use the stored fat in cells. Simple view of course. Even though I lost 8kgs I did not do much exercises and I doubt any of my organ fat shifted hence wanting to do liver cleanse plus going to the gym.
Tonight I will have one chicken drumstick, half wrap and that veggie soup before it get spoiled.:cool:
 
@AndBreathe, I have so much fat in me compare to you!!! My BMI is 22%, I am still trying to loose more fat slowly now. I have long way to go..........
 
About cinnamon:
RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS—A total of 60 people with type 2 diabetes, 30 men and 30 women aged 52.2 ± 6.32 years, were divided randomly into six groups. Groups 1, 2, and 3 consumed 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon daily, respectively, and groups 4, 5, and 6 were given placebo capsules corresponding to the number of capsules consumed for the three levels of cinnamon. The cinnamon was consumed for 40 days followed by a 20-day washout period.

RESULTS—After 40 days, all three levels of cinnamon reduced the mean fasting serum glucose (18–29%), triglyceride (23–30%), LDL cholesterol (7–27%), and total cholesterol (12–26%) levels; no significant changes were noted in the placebo groups. Changes in HDL cholesterol were not significant.

CONCLUSIONS—The results of this study demonstrate that intake of 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon per day reduces serum glucose, triglyceride, LDL cholesterol, and total cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes and suggest that the inclusion of cinnamon in the diet of people with type 2 diabetes will reduce risk factors associated with diabetes and cardiovascular diseases.
 
OMG I say after reading what @Indy51's links under heading 'Diabetes are carb intolerant' page 13. Thank you for those links I learned a lot.
I better educate myself of facts before trying high carbs. I understand that being on LCHF insulin resistance is greater now.
@AndBreathe, if you dont mind please let me know what your diet is like? I noticed your FBS is 3' and 4's which is great.
Things are not so simple, Understand we are all different= Read read read today.
Thank you all
 
Positive said:
OMG I say after reading what @Indy51's links under heading 'Diabetes are carb intolerant' page 13. Thank you for those links I learned a lot.
I better educate myself of facts before trying high carbs. I understand that being on LCHF insulin resistance is greater now.
@AndBreathe, if you dont mind please let me know what your diet is like? I noticed your FBS is 3' and 4's which is great.
Things are not so simple, Understand we are all different= Read read read today.
Thank you all
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I've also posted elsewhere that the people on this thread have very unique situations - they have already lost a lot of weight and appear to have normalised their insulin resistance AND their BG levels to non-diabetic levels. If you aren't in the same situation they are, then you are bound to run into problems as almost any amount of starchy carbs will cause blood sugar spikes. When your pre-meal BG level is already above normal BG levels, almost any amount of carbohydrate will cause problems for you. My BG can increase with barely any carbs just based on food volume, so it can be a real balancing act at times.
 
Positive said:
OMG I say after reading what @Indy51's links under heading 'Diabetes are carb intolerant' page 13. Thank you for those links I learned a lot.
I better educate myself of facts before trying high carbs. I understand that being on LCHF insulin resistance is greater now.
@AndBreathe, if you dont mind please let me know what your diet is like? I noticed your FBS is 3' and 4's which is great.
Things are not so simple, Understand we are all different= Read read read today.
Thank you all
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Firstly, I agree with the last post by @Indy51 too. I'd be cautious on the unique statement, but some of us have had great pay offs from the hard yards we're all travelling.

My diet isn't as adventurous as,@Andrew Colvin . I'm not that courageous! But, I seem to do OK.

Breakfast is usually c40g raw rolled oats, a spoonful of oat bran, and milk. Sometimes, I'll have bacon or scrambled eggs, and on a Sunday, we often breakfast with friends which means she (American) cooks, so it has recently been: Waffles with bacon, frittata, bacon sandwiches and tomorrow, it will allegedly be buckwheat pancakes. These have all been eaten in the name of science, obviously.

Lunch is usually oily fish, so mackerel or sardines, with some rocket or any other salad we have around. And I've added some nuts to take on some more calories in the mid part of the day.

Dinner can be steak, pork chop or chicken with salad, then more recent examples would be paella, using proper paella rice, beef rendang, again with rice, or noodles. Baked potato with various fillings, although the baked spud sent my numbers to the limit of my comfort zone (which is still very much in the acceptable range), chilli. I don't have anything sweet, but that's no change from my pre-d days. Ice cream might have been an occasional indulgence, but we're talking less than monthly.

I'm still not carb heavy, but having more carb with my main meals. It all helps with flexibility and fitting around others.

As a matter of (probably no) interest, we had bacon, cheesy omelette and baked beans for dinner last night - we were in a rush, and hungry. I was 3.9 before and 3.7 after, so no harm there. This morning I was 4.5, which is almost unheard of for me, but I think that's the result of a broken nights sleep, and almost falling over when I got out of bed. Don't ask! So, perhaps, already slightly elevated by the poor sleep plus an adrenalin liver dump as I staggered to regain control of my limbs. Not an image I'd ask you to hold in your head.
 
Thank you @AndBreathe. You all seems to have increase carbs over time, may be at a latter stage I will try again. Read somewhere if your FBS around normal for 30 days you could increase your carbs gradually.
 
@Positive - don't be too impatient; although I know that's easier to say than do. I'm just feeling my way slowly. @Andrew Colvin is galloping along a lot faster than me, and his monitoring is more rigorous, I'm sure.
 
@Indy51 You are right we seem to be lucky in that we may have caught it early enough in that we "have a measure of reversal". However, I do wonder about high (saturated) fats and the potential decrease in response to insulin.

@AndBreathe I still have my natural testing abilities. My hands and feet stil go cold from the tips when I hit 5.6 to numbness/pain when I am at 4.5ish. Think my body doesn't like being this low still. And I can feel it (can't explain the feeling but it is a little like a creeping feeling) when I go above 8 in my hands. Lol I am so weird
 
Andrew Colvin said:
@Indy51 You are right we seem to be lucky in that we may have caught it early enough in that we "have a measure of reversal". However, I do wonder about high (saturated) fats and the potential decrease in response to insulin.

@AndBreathe I still have my natural testing abilities. My hands and feet stil go cold from the tips when I hit 5.6 to numbness/pain when I am at 4.5ish. Think my body doesn't like being this low still. And I can feel it (can't explain the feeling but it is a little like a creeping feeling) when I go above 8 in my hands. Lol I am so weird
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Agreed. Weird.
 
Andrew Colvin said:
@Indy51 You are right we seem to be lucky in that we may have caught it early enough in that we "have a measure of reversal". However, I do wonder about high (saturated) fats and the potential decrease in response to insulin.

@AndBreathe I still have my natural testing abilities. My hands and feet stil go cold from the tips when I hit 5.6 to numbness/pain when I am at 4.5ish. Think my body doesn't like being this low still. And I can feel it (can't explain the feeling but it is a little like a creeping feeling) when I go above 8 in my hands. Lol I am so weird
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I've averaged 5.2 over that last 2 months. It's comforting to read that your body doesn't seem to like being low, because mine doesn't either. Andbreathe is a wonder! Don't you ever feel dizzy or lightheaded? If not, does that mean you are recovered? It's amazing :-)


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@peacetrain - no. I don't have any symptoms when low. When my liver is joining in the action, I have a slightly odd feeling on the side of my neck, but it's not unpleasant, and I would still have plenty of energy.

Completely coincidentally, I have just had my lowest reading ever, ever at 3.0, pre dinner (it's now 18.26 here). I haven't had a lot to eat today as both of us have had sort of upset tummies. I'm going to eat something now, but not quite sure what yet, as frankly, I'd quite happily not bother tonight. But, although my liver will come out to play, I should take some fuel onboard.

Hey ho. This is a strange old thing.
 
I think it's amazing that you are so in tune with your liver! Whilst I've learned about controlling bg levels and manage that fairly well, I can't yet begin to get my head around all the technicalities relating to my pancreas and liver. Andrew's technical posts leave me dazed! :-) at some point I need to make the time to read and think about it.
Thanks for replying. :-)


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