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Muscle pain and feeling unwell

russelluk

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HI

I am a newbie on this forum been diabetic 2 now for six years. The last 5/6 months I have noticed that my muscles in my arms and legs and my feet are really getting painful, I have also noticed lifting a cup of tea up is painful.

My calfs are painful also I am feeling tired and just unwell in general unable to sleep probaly getting about 2 hours a nite.

Doctor took me off statin tablets but still have muscle pain I'm just getting tired of feeling ill.

anyone have these sort of symtoms with diabetes?

Thanks

Russell
 
Hi. Your doc was right to take you off statins in case these were the cause. It can take some time for muscle problems to recede after stopping statins if these are the cause. Diabetes itself doesn't normally cause muscle pain unless there is advanced nerve damage due to long-term high blood sugar. What have your annual HBa1Cs been like?
 
Hi Russell and welcome to the forum.

As Daibell says Statins can cause muscle pains and aches in some people but Ive not heard them being responsible for tiredness.

However high blood glucose is often associated with tiredness, what are your average blood glucose (bg) levels running at?
Do you test your own blood gl levels regularly or do you rely on your HbA1c?

Hopefully Daisy will see this thread and post her usual welcome message including the forums "Advice for Newly Diagnosed Diabetics" even though your not newly diagnosed they may help you.
 
Did your gp do blood tests to see whether statins have had an impact on you?

I have jad horrible effects from statins. At one point on full dla. Now 3 years on I am very much better off physically. However, my cholesterol has gone up.

Gp suggested ezetrol. He took bloods pre starting them, and due for my month after blood test next week before he will prescribe any more.

Doctors should do pre bloodtests and bloodtests for creatine kinase; urea/electrolytes/cret; liver function test; hdl/ldl/chol/trig after you have been taking them. I think the liver test is the important one that somehow tells them if muscles are being effected adversely.. But not 100% sure of this.
 
I think they should look at your blood and urine creatine levels. Elevated levels of the correct type indicated muscle deterioration. There are a couple of creatine types so they need to test for the correct one. I had symptoms such as yours and tried many things, including coming off statins, but the problem kept coming and going. Now that I have lowered my BGs, lost weight and take more exercise, I haven't had any re-occurance. I don't know what caused it, but my creatine levels are back to normal. Creatine isn't the cause, it's the by product. I assume that having started to shift my tired old body about and get the hormones and enzymes pumping around in the blood has stopped whatever was causing it. I can certainly do much more than I used to be able to do. Took a couple of months though, light exercise, not pumping iron or anything silly, little and often, don't want to overstrain the old ticker.
 
:clap: Thanks for replys guys yeah probably could be my statin from what you are all saying. I just wanted to find out if people with diabetes suffer with muscle pain. Well I think Im not that far gone to say I have nerve damage noramly check my blood twice a week on averge

10.9 before and after meal Looking at some of the readings that I have seen maybe it's not that high? But last year they did find a paralysed diaphragm that has left me short of breath they put that down to an accident I had back in 1998. But to me it seems strange that they have just found that now I was wondering do I have nerve damage and maybe that is why the diaphragm is paralysed.

How do you know when you start to get nerve damage maybe this is the start

:? Any I have decided to make an appointment with the nurse at my doctors to be on the safe side
 
What are you eating Russell, 10.9 seems a bit high. Eating alot of carbs make you feel tired.
 
Hi yeah well breakfast I have weetabix 2 then a cup of tea either a pear or plum with this. Lunch I have a weight watchers meal and snack's of grapes then for my tea I have chicken potato veg gravy. I have more or less the same stuff everyday.

But I thought my blood sugar was pretty high for me normaly it used to range around 5.6 --6.1. I cant say that I have a bad diet and I do excersie each day 20 minute work 4 times a day I would like to do more but I also have muskular skeleton problem aswell as my paralysed diaphragm that causes brethlesness so I do try and excecise.

OH yeah my weight **** I just cannot seem to lose weight no matter what I do maybe the tablet pioglitazone is to blame noticed a few people have trouble with losing weight when taking this tablet.
 
Quite high carbs then really. Weetabix are high as are grapes. Potatoes are very high. Maybe your diet needs a shakeup. Its the white stuff that causes tiredness. Why don't you try a lower carb diet for a while. Have eggs for brekkie with bacon. And add more green veg and lose the spuds. The best fruits to eat are berries, much lower in carbs. And nice with cream.
 
Hi. I noticed in your last post that you take pioglitazone. One of the side effects, but not very common, is muscle pain so you may want to query this? Yes, this drug can cause some water retention and hence weight gain. Is there any reason why you are taking this drug rather than Metformin or perhaps you are taking both? Metformin acts in a similar way by improving insulin sensitivity but doesn't cause weight gain.
 
Hi

Well I take pioglitazone because when I was on Metformin I had trouble with the dreaded diarrhea!!

And you mentioned water retention well last year I was plagued with water retention Doc said it was probably caused with the hot weather from my holiday in spain? But I recently had another bout of water retention so maybe your correct in your assumption regarding the pioglitazone seems a bit strange that I have muscle pain and water retention,maybe I should just put up with the diarrhea and maybe help to lose weight I shall discuss this with my GP/Nurse?

Carbs uhmmm well I knew potato was high in carbs but the rest I thought I was ok maybe I should look at stopping the carbs and checking out some of the diets on this board so many problems with this diabetes and very hard to find a diet that is good for you lol.

But thanks for the input has me thinking about what I need to discuss with the GP or nurse
 
Hi. Yes, water retention is a known problem with pioglitazone which is why I refused it when my GP offered it 2 years ago and she offered Sitagliptin instead which has a different mechanism. Did you have Metformin SR, the Slow Release version, before? If not I might suggest you ask the GP to swap you back to met SR instead of the glitazone unless there are other medical facts to be taken into account.
 
Russell,

How long did you take metformin and how long have you been taking an alternative?

There is something else that can cause nerve damage and muscle pain and that's a vitamin B12 deficiency. If you've taken metformin for a few years it's worth having your B12 levels checked. If that is the problem it's easily treated and most symptoms will resolve fairly quickly.
 
Hi I too had the same problems my doctor did not believe it was statins but after stopping them I have been taking cq10 (120mg) daily. Now after 18 months I feel normal, no more mucle pains. If you don't believe me just check the net CQ10 work!
 
Hi Russell and welcome to the forum :)

As mentioned by Sid, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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