New T2 (No meds)

BPF

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Hi,

I was diagnosed with T2 at the beginning of this week.

Yesterday was the first day eating food with low carbs.

Before my last meal yesterday I self tested and was 8.6 mmol and 90 mins later I was 10.7. (1x wholemeal toast, 2x boiled eggs & 2 pork sausags).

That was 8pm last but my levels didn't come down again until 7pm today.

Is this normal?

Honestly it freaked me out so I didn't eat all day to try and get it down
 

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Firstly realise this is a marathon not a sprint. Its not going to be resolved overnight . Its been years brewing and will take ( probably months) to get to normal levels and stay there. It takes practice.

Tha first "low carb" meal of yours was not particularly low carb. The bread had carbs and depending on the sausages so did they. However it wasn't disastrously high. You aim for a rise 2 hours after a meal of no more than 2 above where you started. Finger pricking is really difficult to get at exactly the highest points. Bg can, and does alter within minutes so you may have missed the peak.

And again, depending when you tested through the next day you may have missed both rises and declines.

And stress raises bg too.!

It's only day one. It's brilliant you've started. Stick with it and you will get there.
 

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Firstly realise this is a marathon not a sprint. Its not going to be resolved overnight . Its been years brewing and will take ( probably months) to get to normal levels and stay there. It takes practice.

Tha first "low carb" meal of yours was not particularly low carb. The bread had carbs and depending on the sausages so did they. However it wasn't disastrously high. You aim for a rise 2 hours after a meal of no more than 2 above where you started. Finger pricking is really difficult to get at exactly the highest points. Bg can, and does alter within minutes so you may have missed the peak.

And again, depending when you tested through the next day you may have missed both rises and declines.

And stress raises bg too.!

It's only day one. It's brilliant you've started. Stick with it and you will get there.
Thank you. This makes me feel a bit better and less stressed!

I read a few posts on here that even thought I've having the wholegrain carbs these are just slow releasing so I guess that, and the stress would explain the higher reading this morning.

I'll, cut out the brown bread and pasta completely and switch to lean pork / beef and turkey and see how that goes.

Thanks again
 

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Yes, it's not the fat in the sausages, it's what used as fillers, cereals etc. Look on the back for the highest meat content. Heck do 97% ones. Lidl 92 %, cheap supermarket ones and some brands are as low as 40 % - in other words 60% rubbish.
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And a nice steak with good fat on is a real treat , just skip the fries
 

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You both are legends. Turns out the there's only 57% meat in the ones I had. I guess it's back to the shop I go lol
Some Co-ops have good low carb sausages, and Iceland too - you need to watch out for things being made cheaper to produce by adding carbs.
I have seen things with 100% meat on the front of the packet and then when checking the nutritional information realise that there is a hefty dollop of coating or sauce to reduce the cost and increase the carbs.
 
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The important thing about low carbing for diabetes, is that everything you've ever been told is healthy to eat ISN'T. It's the stuff that has been demonised for about 50 years, that is the correct food for us.
Always think FULL FAT. If something claims to be low fat, low sugar or diabetic friendly, then be very skeptical, and read the ingredients, you'll come to learn that food manufacturers use every trick in the book, to cover up what's actually in their product. There are about 40 different names for various types of sugars. It can be a minefield, but you will learn, and we can guide you along the way.
As to not eating all day to get your numbers down, it rarely works, until you regain more control, or become fat adapted, if eating a low enough amount of carbs. At this moment in time your body is used to having a higher level of sugar in your blood, your liver will happily pump out more Glucose to top you back up again, whether you've eaten or not. Only once you attain better control, can it eventually realise it doesn't need to boost things as much, ie lower levels become the norm. These things don't happen over night, and you will have slip ups along the way. Don't beat yourself up when they happen, they are a lesson. This is why we all say it's a marathon, not a sprint.
From my own perspective i would say FAT IS YOUR FRIEND. Real fat that is, lard, Dripping, Butter, Coconut oil proper olive oil, these are the things to cook in. ( who'd have thought that fried food, was actually very good for you).
You're at the start of your journey, which will last the rest of your life, which approached correctly should be a long one.
The best decision you've made so far, is coming here, nobody judges, and everybody tries to help. There a many ways to skin a cat, the advice we give has been experienced and known to work, but not for everyone. It's your mission now, "should you wish to accept it Jim", is to find which bits work for you.
 

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Hi,

I was diagnosed with T2 at the beginning of this week.

Yesterday was the first day eating food with low carbs.

Before my last meal yesterday I self tested and was 8.6 mmol and 90 mins later I was 10.7. (1x wholemeal toast, 2x boiled eggs & 2 pork sausags).

That was 8pm last but my levels didn't come down again until 7pm today.

Is this normal?

Honestly it freaked me out so I didn't eat all day to try and get it down
Hi
Also different people react in different ways to the same food. I'm great with M&S superseeded bread and their Best British Bangers, my husband isn't and he's not a diabetic, so lots of cooking different meals on those days I fancy sausages. I can't eat potatoes at all or baked beans and discovered that my lifelong fave meal of jacket pot and beans with salad was no longer a no go! So the next thing that will confuse you is that I was prediabetic for 20 plus years and thought I knew what I could eat (rice is my carb of choice currently)and what to modify in my diet and only a month ago did random test and found I was over 8 so knew from my bodies reaction that this was now the next stage!
What I'm trying to say is that you must keep testing, since that test I've been super strict and its come down to 6 except this am when it was 8.3! And last night I'd only had half a ready meal with rice, the only other difference was I hadn't eaten very much since breakfast Greek yog and fruit, so don't know why, but I'm planning a salad with cheese for lunch today and will try the other half of the ready meal today for supper again and see what happens.
You kinda have to look at it as a game learning what's best for you! Good luck
 
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Stay with it , results come with time and you have to be patient. As people say it is a marathon not a sprint but you seem to be well on the journey so congratulations. Keep testing to balance your diet. I avoid bread completely but I have recently tried the Heylo Keto bread range. That works for me and no spike or rise when eating it - confirmed by my testing. Might be worth you checking that out?
 
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BPF

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. Had a family emergency and has been a stressful few days.

Thank you for your messages with tips and suggestions.

I am mostly likely the fussiest eater you'll meet so trying to find things I can tolerate that won't spike my level is a pain in the ****.

For the last week I've been eating

Beef mince, Dolmio Bolognese and a little brown pasta

Lidl sausages (thanks for the suggestion!), bacon and poached eggs

This week will pretty much be the same but with pork mince.

Only thing that seem to spike my levels so far was weetabix (the only breakfast cereal I like) and 1 slice if brown bread.

Whilst I've been testing to figure out what I can tolerate my highest was 10.8.

I've just tested before I have dinner and I've got my lowest reading yet of 5.8.

So even thought it's simple and boring what I'm doing seems to be working.

Thought this can only be short term as I need to figure out what else I can eat that can up my calories without spiking my level as I'm averaging less that 1000 per day.. though I'm a chunky fella so at least my body is now burning it's fat stores and I've lost about 12 lbs already.

Also, although I've been very stressed the last few days it thankfully didn't impact my levels
 
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Breakfasts are an easy fix for most people. Breakfast cereals nearly all contain lots of carbs. Instead, think of a traditional British fry-up with bacon & eggs and/or mushrooms, low carb sausages, possibly tomatoes, but no baked beans, no potato, no toast, no fruit juice.
Back when I ate breakfasts (before getting fully fat adapted) I mainly ate eggs, but meat, fish, cheese are all fine.

If you prefer a light breakfast, lots of natural full-fat yoghurt with a few nuts & seeds and/or a few berries. You can add cocoa powder mixed in, or add some grated dark chocolate if you need more flavour.

Let you meter be your guide to food, it's an unbiased expert in your own personal version of diabetes.
 

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Personally I’d skip the pasta, bread and all cereals. But I do need to keep my carbs very low. You can add veg, though be cautious on stuff like potatoes of all kinds, parsnips, and to some degree peas, sweetcorn and carrots. Salad is generally ok too. Dairy, eggs done anyway, meats and fish paying attention to any coating or sauce, most nuts, spices, herbs. Add butter, olive oil, cream, cheese etc as coatings/dressings and appetite fillers.
 
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