Partner Just Diagnosed Type 2 - HELP ! (Esp diet!)

MoroFenrir

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So my partner has just been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.
She's 31.

The nurse said that usually they'd wait until a second blood test to confirm, but her results were very high so she's very confident it's type 2 , especially as there's a lot of diabetes in her family
(Mother, Aunt & Gradnparents on both sides)

We've got two weeks to wait for a second appointment, (Busy GPs) where she'll have a second blood test and be put on Metformin.

In the meantime, we're sort of floundering.

We know she has to cut out sugar, and that's most important thing
So far we have thought of Sugar Free Pop, Sugar free baked beans & sugar free ketchup and sweetners in tea

We know there's a lot of hidden sugars, like in processed foods and ready meals.

What things do we need to avoid straight away ?

We've been told to swap white bread, white rice and white pasta to the brown/wheat alternatives ?

Any startup advice would be great ... we also read to have oily fish twice a week, but she HATES it, is there an alternative, like cod liver oil ?




 

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Hi and welcome
First thing "Don't Panic"
Second thing have a read of @daisy1 welcome post when she puts it up for you to take a look at.
Thirdly maybe get your partner to join up as sometimes it better its give info first hand.. just a thought..

Any idea what her HbA1c was? the blood sugar average level over the past 8-12 weeks that was probably used to diagnose.
Doctors have various approaches to what is "high" or "normal"

You are certainly right to cut everything sugary.. it might be an idea to avoid some artificially sweetened stuff too to try and wean off the "overly sweet" tastes that a lot of foods have these days.
Simple and tasty home cooked food from fresh ingredients will certainly be better than shop bought processed stuff.

The white to brown starches might seem an obvious choice but often they don't help that much as starch is still starch but Daisy's post will explain that a bit more.

Sit down have a cuppa and wander round the forum and we'll answer stuff as and when you need further answers.
 

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We weren't given one, she did a fasting blood test yesterday and the results came back today.

Would they be able to give us the hbac if i rang them up ?
 

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We weren't given one, she did a fasting blood test yesterday and the results came back today.

Would they be able to give us the hbac if i rang them up ?
If they have tested they might.. what country are you in?
Sometimes different places have different criteria for diagnosis.
 

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We weren't given one, she did a fasting blood test yesterday and the results came back today.

Would they be able to give us the hbac if i rang them up ?

If you are in England, you can ask if the surgery puts test results on line as they are supposed to do, and how to register for this. Otherwise, you are entitled to know the exact results and a computer print out is the best way of doing this. You can ring and ask for one. It isn't just the blood glucose results that are important, it is other tests too that will most likely have been included - cholesterol and lipids, liver and kidney functions and full blood count.

Of course it is important to avoid sugar, but did you know that all carbs turn to sugar once inside the system, including the wholemeal brown versions? That is something for you to think about. Please have a look at the dietdoctor website and the list of suitable foods. It will help you plan the meals.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/foods#foodlist
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds
 
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Welcome to the forum. This is a great place for advice, support and encouragement. 76 is certainly high. Most of us use the low carb high fat to combat T2.

Does your partner need to lose weight?
 

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So my partner has just been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.
She's 31.

The nurse said that usually they'd wait until a second blood test to confirm, but her results were very high so she's very confident it's type 2 , especially as there's a lot of diabetes in her family
(Mother, Aunt & Gradnparents on both sides)

We've got two weeks to wait for a second appointment, (Busy GPs) where she'll have a second blood test and be put on Metformin.

In the meantime, we're sort of floundering.

We know she has to cut out sugar, and that's most important thing
So far we have thought of Sugar Free Pop, Sugar free baked beans & sugar free ketchup and sweetners in tea

We know there's a lot of hidden sugars, like in processed foods and ready meals.

What things do we need to avoid straight away ?

We've been told to swap white bread, white rice and white pasta to the brown/wheat alternatives ?

Any startup advice would be great ... we also read to have oily fish twice a week, but she HATES it, is there an alternative, like cod liver oil ?




Okay, take a deep breath: Nothing has to happen overnight, she's not going to keel over tomorrow. Really. It might feel like that to the both of you, and I know it did to me 2 years ago, but... You have time to figure this T2 thing out.

First off, it's not just hidden sugars. Practically all carbs turn to glucose once ingested. So even swapping out white for brown items, well... It's still starches, and they still turn to glucose. So a couple of things: Get a meter. Have her test before a meal and 2 hours after the first bite. That tells you whether or not that meal is worth repeating or needs adjusting: if it goes up more than 2 mmol/l in that time, it was too carby for her to be able to process out again. Secondly, you two might want to hit the books (Dr. Jason Fung is an excellent explainer of all things diabetes) and check dietdoctor.com for mealsuggestions. You don't have to pay to join, loads of recepies and info is free on there. (I don't have to point you to diabetes.co.uk I assume, as you're already here).

Foods that cause spikes: Bread, rice, pasta, potatoes cereal (wheetabix, shredded wheat, muesli, all of it, not just the obvious like chocopops and cornflakes), corn, fruit... Except for berries, a couple of cherry tomatoes and avocado, they're fine. That sounds like there's nothing left to eat, but really.. There's still loads. Meat, poultry, (yeah, fish too...), eggs, above-ground veggies and leafy greens (except for beans), cheese, butter/ghee, double cream, full-fat greek yoghurt, nuts, olives, pork scratchings, (bacon, bacon, bacon!!!), extra dark chocolate...

Meals could look like this:
Eggs with bacon and cheese, mushrooms and maybe a handfull of cherry-tomatoes.
Full fat greek yoghurt with a few berries and some walnuts and/or coconut shavings.
Green salad with lukewarm goat's cheese, cherry tomatoes, avocado and a little vinaigrette.
Evening's you could go for meat, pountry, with vegetables, something like cauliflower rice or broccoli rice, both of which are quite versatile. My go-to is adding bacon and cheese and a bunch of herbs. Stir fry some gyros through it, for instance. All good.

Fat, as it turns out, isn't the culprit, as we've been told for decades... (Leading to a global T2 epidemic). It's the glucose that gets stored in fat cells that makes people fat, so... Dietary fat doesn't stick to hips, while we've all been going low-fat and high carb. Oops. What dietary fat does do, and that's important for your lady: it slows down potential sugar spikes, besides helping her feel satiated in spite of the lack of carbs. Keeping things on an as even keel as possible. Which is why, if she does go for some strawberries and cream, the cream is actually helping her, not just decadence.

There's time to sort this out, learn what's what and there's even room to make a few mistakes. It does help, I must admit, when you do it together. I skip breakfast, usually, and still make my husband's sandwiches, (I just have a Nespresso), and at work he's still eating his toasties and whatnot, but in the evening I only have to cook one meal, not two different ones. Otherwise I could just toss some potatoes in the airfryer for him, but he's full on what I serve for us both, so that's all good.

Hope this helps!
Jo
 
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Just called them now , the range they use is that it should be between 20-42 and hers came back 76

Ok well mine was 87 on diagnosis and its now significantly reduced so it is possible to control it using only diet.
 

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Just called them now , the range they use is that it should be between 20-42 and hers came back 76
That is indeed high. (I was higher, there is hope!) Keep this information! You want to know every single testresult they have, so you'll know what's going on and whether progress is being made.
 

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Welcome to the forum @MoroFenrir. An HbA1c of 76 is in the diabetic range, and unless there's been a huge error the second test is likely to confirm the diagnosis.
You are right to cut out sugary drinks and food, but food which is high in carbohydrates also needs to be avoided or limited as starchy carbs turn to glucose in our bodies. The worst culprits are bread, potatoes, pasta and rice. Beer should also be avoided. Fruit and fruit juice are also high in fructose sugar.

Many on here follow a Low Carbohydrate High Fat (lchf) approach to eating which we find reduces blood glucose levels, and often weight too. This means cutting out the starchy carbs, and replacing the energy from the carbs with healthy fats like oily fish, high fat dairy products (full fat milk, butter, cheese and unsweetened yoghurt), nuts, olive oil and avocados. Eggs, meat and fish are good.
Most 'above ground' vegetables are good.
 
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Order a meter and extra test strips. @Rachox will point you in the right direction for the cheaper ones.

Download mySugr app and record your readings and food. After a few days of data, it will give you an estimated HbA1c number. It is highly motivating.

You have a lot of reading to do and you may well feel overwhelmed. We have all been there.

If your partner is prescribed Metformin, ask for the slow release version, it is supposed to be easier on the tummy.

Ask anything you like, there is no such thing as a silly question.
 
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Hi and welcome. Your partner is quite young at 31 to have diabetes Type 2. If he/she is not overweight you need to ask the GP to check that the diagnosis is T2 and not T1 as quite a few GPs just guess when someone isn't obviously overweight rather than doing the two tests for T1. T1 can occur at any age and needs different treatment longer-term. It's fine to start with Metformin and adopt the low-carb diet but just get the T2 confirmed as I should have done for myself many years ago.
 
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Hi and welcome and how lovely you are getting info for your partner, please encourage her to join too. In the meantime here are some meters that are popular on the forum:

Taken from a post by @Bluetit1802 as she wrote it so nicely:


The most popular meters for self funding T2's are the Codefree and the Tee2 because the strips are much cheaper than other meters, and you need a lot of strips. You can't buy them in pharmacies.


Try here for the Codefree meter

http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/


and here for the extra strips

http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/sd-codefree-test-strips-to-be-used-only-with-the-sd-monitor/


There are discount codes if you buy in bulk.

5 packs 264086

10 packs 975833


The Tee2 is here

http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-plus-blood-glucose-meter/


Don’t forget to check the box that you have diabetes so you can buy VAT free. (for either meter)
 

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Welcome - as you can see from the above, it's quite a lot of info to take in at first. @daisy1's post, which will be added on this thread, is very informative.

Main thing, as others have said, is don't just think sugars, think carbs. Read the nutritional info on food packets/websites and significantly lower the amount of carbs in the food your partner chooses. It's not always obvious what has a lot of carbs - cereals (low sugar too), bread (brown too), pasta (wholewheat too); the things that seem like they'd be okay.

I have had HBA1Cs of 89 and 76 (though I knew I was at risk for long before those, as it also runs in pretty much every member of my family on my mum's side and I can tick every risk factor box, except for being overweight). The GP was very concerned to rule out type 1 with me as I had a sudden rise (which coincided with a giant increase in eating carbs too - but he didn't seem to take that into account) and I was 'young' (age 40), so it's always worth checking.

I reduced my HBA1C from 76 to 48 in three months by eating far less carbs and without medication, so it is doable.
 
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@MoroFenrir

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask questions when you need to and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

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Just want to say a big thanks to all who relpied, lots of reading to do.

We're seeing if the doctor will put a prescription in for a glucose test meter
(We're unemployed, so on low income and if we're going to be testing a few times a day until we figure the diet out, it'll start to add up!)
But apparantly as she's type 2 it is down to the doctor's discretion whether they'll put it on prescripton or tell us to buy our own.

Lots of things to read, already chucked out the sugar and got unsweetened almond milk for the tea and coffee.

Going to have a go at making some keto bread.

Cheese and mushroom omlette for tea (no milk)

Time to get dug into some research!
 

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I find it easier to try not to replicate your previous diet. Just eat clean and simple - meats, salad veggies and dairy. I have never baked cakes or bread substitutes and you get weaned off them in about 2 weeks. Best of luck
 
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