Poll regarding X-PERT High Fat/Low Carb diet

daddys1 · Mar 20, 2015

NoCrbs4Me said:
Using some straight forward and simple logic, if I had Trudi's book I wouldn't be asking the question, unless you assume I'm being an ass. I really don't need another LCHF book. If she doesn't define what low carb is or what high fat is, then never mind my question.

I was expecting a simple yes or No, as using logic on your part, you may have suspected that there was not a clear definition, as I was presuming you had read it and this was a rhetorical question on your part, but clearly not, a simple No I have not got the book, would have resulted in an abbreviated definition/reply as below from the book.

Title definition
What is a very Low Carb/High Fat Lifestyle (Abbreviated)

She covers in this section 4 areas,
1. High Carbohydrate and Low fat referenced by 260grams per day Carbs amounting to +/- 50% of daily calories of about 1400kcal.

2. Moderate Carbohydrate Diet 26 to 45% calories from Carbs equates to 130 to 225grams carbs per day

3. Low Carbohydrate Diet less than 130 carbs per day or less than 26% of total energy derived from Carbs. This is the amount of glucose required to maintain the Brain & Nervous system.

4. A Very Low Carb High Fat Life style, provide just 20 to 50 carbs per day or less than 10% of a 2000kcal per day diet. At this stage fat stores are broken down producing ketones for an energy source.

Neil

NoCrbs4Me · Mar 20, 2015

daddys1 said:
I was expecting a simple yes or No, as using logic on your part, you may have suspected that there was not a clear definition, as I was presuming you had read it and this was a rhetorical question on your part, but clearly not, a simple No I have not got the book, would have resulted in an abbreviated definition/reply as below from the book.

Title definition
What is a very Low Carb/High Fat Lifestyle (Abbreviated)

She covers in this section 4 areas,
1. High Carbohydrate and Low fat referenced by 260grams per day Carbs amounting to +/- 50% of daily calories about b1400kcal.

2. Moderate Carbohydrate Diet 26 to 45% calories from Carbs equates to 130 to 225grams carbs per day

3. Low Carbohydrate Diet less than 130 carbs per day or less than 26% of total energy derived from Carbs. This is the amount of glucose required to maintain the Brain & Nervous system.

4. A Very Low Carb High Fat Life style, provide just 20 to 50 carbs per day or less than 10% of a 2000kcal per day diet. At this stage fat stores are broken down producing ketones for an energy source.

Neil

Thanks.

donnellysdogs · Mar 20, 2015

IanD said:
Dr. Trudi Deakin, founder of the X-PERT diabetes training course has brought out a modification to the course which encourages the LCHF approach as an alternative to the previously recommended emphasis on low fat & high starchy carb diet.

This poll calls on Diabetes UK to recognise the LCHF lifestyle as an alternative to the standard starch carb, low fat lifestyle currently recommended.

BUMP..

Sid Bonkers · Mar 20, 2015

Well I like the majority of members here I suspect cant cast a vote in your poll IanD as I neither eat a lchf diet or a hclf diet so its a bit pointless really when most people here just reduce the carbs in their diets without added fat so like a low carb no added fat or lcnaf.

Why are there only options for high carb or high fat when I suspect most dont eat high anything.

Its called everything in moderation

Robinredbreast · Mar 20, 2015

Sid Bonkers said:
Well I like the majority of members here I suspect cant cast a vote in your poll IanD as I neither eat a lchf diet or a hclf diet so its a bit pointless really when most people here just reduce the carbs in their diets and dont increase the fat.

Everything in moderation

Morning Sid, I was under the impression that many, especially type 2's, have reduced or lower carb and increased their fat, I read about it such a lot. I myself, am not low carb, but have reduced my carbs. So what's pointless who are the people ? and how many is most ?

Best wishes RRB

Bluetit1802 · Mar 20, 2015

Sid Bonkers said:
Well I like the majority of members here I suspect cant cast a vote in your poll IanD as I neither eat a lchf diet or a hclf diet so its a bit pointless really when most people here just reduce the carbs in their diets and dont increase the fat.

Everything in moderation

Bit of a sweeping statement there. How many can't cast a vote for the reasons you give?

dannyw · Mar 20, 2015

Sid Bonkers said:
Well I like the majority of members here I suspect cant cast a vote in your poll IanD as I neither eat a lchf diet or a hclf diet so its a bit pointless really when most people here just reduce the carbs in their diets without added fat so like a low carb no added fat or lcnaf.

Why are there only options for high carb or high fat when I suspect most dont eat high anything.

Its called everything in moderation

I didn't realise you'd already ran a poll ? Do you have a link ? Is that where you got your sweeping statement from ?

daddys1 · Mar 20, 2015

Sid Bonkers said:
Well I like the majority of members here I suspect cant cast a vote in your poll IanD as I neither eat a lchf diet or a hclf diet so its a bit pointless really when most people here just reduce the carbs in their diets without added fat so like a low carb no added fat or lcnaf.

Why are there only options for high carb or high fat when I suspect most dont eat high anything.

Its called everything in moderation

Have you not adjusted your diet since diagnosis, i.e what from ?

'I have had unsatisfactory results with the standard HCLF diet' which is one of the questions.

As for your "don't eat high anything" depends what you are comparing it to, I was on Low Fat compared to what I have now, people would call it High Fat.

Neil

Pinkorchid · Mar 20, 2015

noblehead said:
@IanD, I would have like to have seen more options available in the poll for those who don't LCHF or HCLF, there's many of us on the forum that sit somewhere in-between and eat both carbs and fat in moderation, the message would still be the same to Diabetes UK.

I agree there should be the option for those that do moderation I am sure there are plenty here who do it like that so why not that option on the poll

Robinredbreast · Mar 20, 2015

Pinkorchid said:
I agree there should be the option for those that do moderation I am sure there are plenty who do it that way

I do moderation too. Maybe you could could start a thread about it? I do remember there were recent threads asking how many carbs members consume.

Best wishes RRB

Heathenlass · Mar 20, 2015

This poll calls on Diabetes UK to recognise the LCHF lifestyle as an alternative to the standard starch carb, low fat lifestyle currently recommended.

I think what Ian posted in his original post makes it clear what the thread/ poll is concerned with.

Not to start the great LCHF/HCLF/ moderation/scoffeverythinginsight debate off again

Signy

tim2000s · Mar 20, 2015

donnellysdogs said:
Nope still can't find how to find it!!!

Go to the website in your iPad browser.... Then it will work. From the app there is an option, if you hold your finger down on an a comment, to choose web view.

daddys1 · Mar 20, 2015

Pinkorchid said:
I agree there should be the option for those that do moderation I am sure there are plenty here who do it like that so why not that option on the poll

Hi, Have you looked at the title of the Poll?

We call on Diabetes UK to recognise the LCHF diet alongside the HCLF diet.

We all know that many people do 'moderation' in the Low Carb High Fat, but isn't Diabetes UK sometimes preaching 'moderation' in the High Carb Low Fat diet? I'm not sure what you would want to achieve by including questions for moderation.

If we can get them to recognize, as the poll question suggests, then there would clearly be moderation between the two by many people but they would have the option of choosing, where they don't at the moment, because they are only offered HCLF
Neil

sanguine · Mar 20, 2015

noblehead said:
but lets not derail the thread any longer and let the poll run its course.

Some people aren't adhering to this though are they?

CollieBoy · Mar 20, 2015

Having re-done the X-pert course with Dr Deakin V recently I can confirm that LCHF is NOT "rammed down your throat" merely that the High Fat diet is an option to be considered. I believe that this stance is the one that should be followed by NHS/DUK et al : that this WoE is a viable option and should be considered, not that any one WoE should be pushed on anyone , to the exclusion of all others!

Avocado Sevenfold · Mar 20, 2015

Pinkorchid said:
I agree there should be the option for those that do moderation I am sure there are plenty here who do it like that so why not that option on the poll

I don't know why people expect the poll to include moderate carbing

The poll about low carbing and is in the low carb section of the forum.

donnellysdogs · Mar 20, 2015

tim2000s said:
Go to the website in your iPad browser.... Then it will work. From the app there is an option, if you hold your finger down on an a comment, to choose web view.

Aaaaaah thank you... When I look at it on the app that I use I see nothing. This makes sense now!!

donnellysdogs · Mar 20, 2015

Trudi I know does not ram high fat down peoples throats... Her stance is foremost lowering carbs.....

Sid Bonkers · Mar 20, 2015

zand said:
.I have read on this forum that some T2's who were on insulin were able to stop using it when they followed LCHF.

I managed to wean myself off insulin following a reduction in carbs without increasing the fat in my diet at all, if anything I ate less fat as before diagnosis I was eating too much of everything

It worked so well for me that I was able to wean myself off the insulin which I had been taking for just under a year following diagnosis when my HbA1c was 12.6% and my bg level was 29. something.

After 3 months my HbA1c was in the 5%'s where it has stayed for 6 years now.

CollieBoy · Mar 20, 2015

So that's you as "LowER carb, lower fat" then Sid!
Glad you got yourself "sorted out"

Poll regarding X-PERT High Fat/Low Carb diet

We call on Diabetes UK to recognise the LCHF diet alongside the HCLF diet.

I have had good blood glucose control & improved health with LCHF

I have had good blood glucose control & improved health with the standard HCLF diet

I have had unsatisfactory results with LCHF

I have had unsatisfactory results with the standard HCLF diet

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