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Red and Processed Meat Bowel Cancer risk up to 20%

Discussion in 'Food, Nutrition and Recipes' started by Mbaker, Apr 17, 2019.

  1. jjraak

    jjraak Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    spot on.

    that how i now feel.

    from what i have seen myself and the (way) too many post of bad experiences
    re DX rushed, advice, desmonds, being told don't test,

    all poor advice and being given out on an industrial level.
    it's heartbreaking to consider we SHOULD be trusting these people with our very lives,
    yet for many of us, we are like an underground group,
    denying all knowledge face to face, but secretly gathering in dark places plotting the over throw of their despotic rule.

    It does lead, as you say, one to question everything,

    well for me, that's when it all started to unravel.

    I feel like neo from the matrix, discovering the world as i knew it...doesn't really exist..sadly
     
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  2. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    It is sad but strangely empowering, don't you think?
     
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  3. jjraak

    jjraak Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    in a strange sense ..yes.

    i sort of feel i walk a little taller, because I see the world around me in a new light.

    Things i never questioned before ..i DO now.
    and idea i previously wouldn't have entertained, i now have a much more open mind on.

    anyway, back to my bacon & eggs.....before i die...;):D
     
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  4. Tophat1900

    Tophat1900 Type 3c · Well-Known Member

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    I know what you mean. It is truly shocking the moment you make that discovery about how bad the advice, treatment etc has been for the last however many decades. Just shocking, the level of ignorance, bias and how detrimental it has been for people and continues to be.

    I think what gets to me the most is the diet advice and the don't test your levels. Just insane advice, but you take what you know, and you use it to your advantage. And you do things that were supposedly impossible or you shouldn't be able to do. It becomes a positive if you want it to be.
     
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  5. britishpub

    britishpub Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Well according to Cancer Research UK

    https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/he...r-type/bowel-cancer/risk-factors#heading-Zero

    The estimated lifetime risk of being diagnosed with bowel cancer is 1 in 15 (7%) for males, and 1 in 18 (6%) for females born after 1960

    They also say that in 2015, 54% of cases were preventable, 28% were caused by eating too little fibre, 11% by obesity and a whopping 13% due to eating red/processed meat.
     
  6. wiflib

    wiflib Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Critical thinking should be taught from childhood. I taught mine to question adverts and still do with my grandchildren, it’s a good start.
     
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  7. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    84945C44-B75F-40F6-8938-E561621F1973.jpeg
     
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  9. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    You forgot to add that humans evolved to use tools such as fire and sharp implements. We still have canines and molars plus we have perhaps the most important attribute, our adaptability.
     
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  10. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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  11. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    and the fierce looking carnivore with those big fangs has to kill its prey and tear it to shreds.
     
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  12. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    I think it speaks for itself.
     
  13. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Zackly. Whereas man uses a spear, fire or a gun or a trap... then sautes his haunch of herbivore with fresh thyme ;)
     
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  14. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    The clue is in the title:

    “What foods are humans best designed to eat”
     
  15. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    Who produced this chart?
     
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  16. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    It doesn’t really matter who produced it. It is self explanatory though.

    I eat meat, btw. :D
     
  17. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Except that we are not the same species. We, like bears, are omnivores however bears are forced to hibernate. For modern man it is forever summer.
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    Yes, we are omnivores.
     
  19. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Reversing diabetes has been the coolest thing I’ve ever done. Unbelievably good fun. There’s been a lot of pain and misery getting to where I am now, but now that I’ve done it, I am glad that it all happened. I’ve never been happier or more healthy than I am now. Like a fog has been lifted. Far better example of a human being than I ever was. Diabetes is pretty awesome when viewed solely from that perspective :angelic:
     
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  20. mazza 2

    mazza 2 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Maybe we shouldn't eat anything lol If you believed everything you read about what to eat and what not to eat you would be changing your diet everyday. I read some of the report and if I ate cereals, bread etc I would according to the report reduce my risk of cancer but I would definitely increase my risk of diabetic complications so I'm gonna take my chances and stick to my meat regardless of the colour, red white or whatever!!!
     
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