Reversing Type 2 diabetes

[Tannith]

I did the Newcastle diet (with real food) and lost 11 1/2 % of my weight. I finished at the end of Dec. My Hba1c returned to normal as did my fasting bgs and they have remained so. I would say I am in remission, and expect to remain so as long as I keep the weight off. I have been following Prof Taylor's advice and am eating approx 2/3 of what I ate before I started the Newcastle Diet. Since then I have not only kept the weight off but lost a couple more pounds.

 

[Oldvatr]

I did the Newcastle diet (with real food) and lost 11 1/2 % of my weight. I finished at the end of Dec. My Hba1c returned to normal as did my fasting bgs and they have remained so. I would say I am in remission, and expect to remain so as long as I keep the weight off. I have been following Prof Taylor's advice and am eating approx 2/3 of what I ate before I started the Newcastle Diet. Since then I have not only kept the weight off but lost a couple more pounds.

I am happy with Remission. It is a term used in similar health conditions where treatment has significantly reduced symptoms and the prognosis of a sustained recovery is good, but there is a risk that the condition could possibly (but not probably) return. Congrats in changing your condition so successfully, but as you say, you are not really returning to the lifestyle you followed before the ND. But I have to ask - how are you with chinese takeaways and pizza with ice cream? I am better than I was, but it would deffo be a bad idea to make it regular for any of those. I am now on a daily toast ration and faring ok. My weight so far is stable, and my midriff is not growing back, but I will keep on monitoring these. It does seem that stasis requires weight control as a primary importance.

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

It all seems to be down to semantics. We will all have different ideas of what a cure or reversal or remission actually means.

For me, personally, if I could eat carbs regularly, anywhere between 100gms and the recommended 225-325 gms, I'd be happier. Then, so long as my pancreas was still healthy (presently producing normal amounts of insulin but no idea of beta cell mass which is just as important) and my insulin resistance was 1 (rather than it's present 1.7 - 2.4, it keeps changing), then I would say Eureka! I'm cured. Realistically, it's not going to happen, but diet and exercise will keep things under fairly good control, most of the time.

 

[pollensa]

Hi Everyone

It is possible to reverse type 2 diabetes by changing ones diet to a Whole Food plant based diet with no added fat or sugar.

Here are some links to give you information.

Dr Michael Gregor was in London this April and gave a talk to the college of Naturopathic medicine. He discusses diabetes around 40 minutes, but the whole talk is very interesting

A lady who reverses her diabetes https://dub128.mail.live.com/?tid=cmMhLsDOAo5hGvhAAjfeRhHA2&fid=flinbox

Good websites with lots of information

http://nutritionstudies.org/
http://www.forksoverknives.com/
https://www.drmcdougall.com/
http://nutritionfacts.org/

This way of eating will also lower blood pressure, cholesterol and reverse heart disease.

Sue

Can strongly recommend you obtain copy of Dr. Jason Fung "The diabetes Code" prevent and reverse type 2 diabetes naturally it says it all, self explanatory, a wonderful amazing book puts it all into perspective! I have followed Dr. fung and although pre diabetic, my Doc has not placed on my medical records here in spain "non diabetic range"...why. My number have reduced reversed lowered to all

1.
all finger real blood testing NORMAL LEVEL RANGE

2.
A1C 5.0%, 5.3% A1C home test now kit/same day official lab test doctor 5.5%

Results of toally non diabetic range levels simply by

• Change of diet low carb although eating some carbs in veggies, at no time for 1 year plus have I eaten potato, rice, pasta or bread, substituting these for much more exciting foods
• Added more exercise to daily surfing, to walking min 5 to 9klm a day depending on commitments
• Jumping on Domyos small soft read machine at home, for 10 mins after breakfast, lunch dinner if you dont have a tread at home no problem just take a short brisk walk 10 mins after each meal
• intermittent fasting 3 times a week as and when I desire no set days thats the beauty of intermittent fasting its when you want to do it, at ones convenience, so its a case of 2 mornings no breakfast only cup of tea or coffee no milk or sugar i.e. 18 hr fast, plus one day no breakfast or lunch, coffee, tea or water only then eat dinner evening i.e. 24 hour fast.

thats it! easy as pie,and lost 24 kilos inbetween and vary 23 to 24cm off waist reduced.

Thank you Dr. Jason Fung, its a case dont put in and burn off, and Keto eating low carb plan recommendation via www.dietdoctor.com exciting recipes to explore especially breads made with Coconut flour and physillum husks no carb that allow the odd slice of bread in moderation if ones spike levels allow.

I have reversed numbers, kept them reversed lowered to normal ranges all areas for over one year now, and medical records
have deleted pre diabetes to non diabetes range.

 

[pollensa]

If you are telling us that anything at all will reverse diabetes (be it plant based wonder courses, purely meat based meals, fungi and rice krispies...), and if you mean "reverse" as in "cure" - no it won't, no it won't now it won't. This is a great site where lots of very good people who are serious about managing their blood sugars express their views and their approaches in helpful ways, but - I wish people who are trying to sell rubbish, promote amazing doctor wonderful's curebook...people who think (possibly in a well-meaning way even) that they have a solution for everyone..would go fishing instead. It's not helpful; it's dross. If you mean "reversed" as in something will help decrease blood sugar levels to a manageable level (even non-diabetic levels) so long as we persist with whatever diet/method is being advised (ie. in the sure and certain knowledge that blood sugars will increase again as soon as normal eating is resumed) - then that's great but only helpful if you make that clear. Personally, unless that is clear, I don't red past a title or the first line as I credit the view with as much veracity and value as I do standing on one's head for a week as a surefire cure for gullibility. ps. anyone thinking the mushroom/rice-krispies thing is worth a bash...maybe don't. love n hugs

Oh dear, not good positive thinking, thinks me, perhaps its time you invest in a copy or read Dr. Jason Fujng The Diabetes Code prevent and reverse type 2 diabetes naturally, or get a copy of Dr David Cavan reverse diabetes, both excellent books.

Dr. Fungs book is both medically explained, along with simple explanations, that put it all into simplicity perspective, he is a neuthrologist from Canada and is highly experienced in diabetes with his own clinic in Canada. Above all the message is for "positive" hope to all out here who may be pre or diabetic, its well worth reading, enjoy

 

[Oldvatr]

It all seems to be down to semantics. We will all have different ideas of what a cure or reversal or remission actually means.

For me, personally, if I could eat carbs regularly, anywhere between 100gms and the recommended 225-325 gms, I'd be happier. Then, so long as my pancreas was still healthy (presently producing normal amounts of insulin but no idea of beta cell mass which is just as important) and my insulin resistance was 1 (rather than it's present 1.7 - 2.4, it keeps changing), then I would say Eureka! I'm cured. Realistically, it's not going to happen, but diet and exercise will keep things under fairly good control, most of the time.

It may be semantics, but there are emotional tugs involved. I am thinking of those newely diagnosed who may be reading this Forum, and who have only just started exploring their condition and so are most likely to have not developed a strong bullsh** detector. So when a thread uses words like Reverse or Cure then this will evoke an exaggerated response and lead them down a different path possibly that could be misleading not only to them but to others reading posts they will generate with this same terminology.

It is encumbent on us here on the Forum to discuss and formulate a reasonable definition for all thes words so that newbies are properly informed.

 

[Tannith]

I am happy with Remission. It is a term used in similar health conditions where treatment has significantly reduced symptoms and the prognosis of a sustained recovery is good, but there is a risk that the condition could possibly (but not probably) return. Congrats in changing your condition so successfully, but as you say, you are not really returning to the lifestyle you followed before the ND. But I have to ask - how are you with chinese takeaways and pizza with ice cream? I am better than I was, but it would deffo be a bad idea to make it regular for any of those. I am now on a daily toast ration and faring ok. My weight so far is stable, and my midriff is not growing back, but I will keep on monitoring these. It does seem that stasis requires weight control as a primary importance.

I wouldn't call it a cure because as soon as I put the weight back on I would get back the pancreatic and liver fat and with it the T2.It is 20 years or more since I had a takeaway, I have never liked them. I'm ok with pizza and seconds and thirds or it though we only tend to have it when the kids come home. I'm about to test ice cream = the weather is right for it. I shall have to be cautious. It was my downfall. Triple helpings with cream!

 

[Crocodile]

It may be semantics, but there are emotional tugs involved. I am thinking of those newely diagnosed who may be reading this Forum, and who have only just started exploring their condition and so are most likely to have not developed a strong bullsh** detector. So when a thread uses words like Reverse or Cure then this will evoke an exaggerated response and lead them down a different path possibly that could be misleading not only to them but to others reading posts they will generate with this same terminology.

It is encumbent on us here on the Forum to discuss and formulate a reasonable definition for all thes words so that newbies are properly informed.

My sentiments exactly. I pointed this usage out some time ago only to receive a whack across the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

 

[Mep]

That's why I prefer the term 'controlled' as that is exactly what people are doing. They're doing so by lifestyle changes. To use terms like cured, remission, etc implies that the disease can disappear. It doesn't disappear, it's always going to rear it's head on you should you eat too many carbs, etc.

 

[Oldvatr]

Oh dear, not good positive thinking, thinks me, perhaps its time you invest in a copy or read Dr. Jason Fujng The Diabetes Code prevent and reverse type 2 diabetes naturally, or get a copy of Dr David Cavan reverse diabetes, both excellent books.

Dr. Fungs book is both medically explained, along with simple explanations, that put it all into simplicity perspective, he is a neuthrologist from Canada and is highly experienced in diabetes with his own clinic in Canada. Above all the message is for "positive" hope to all out here who may be pre or diabetic, its well worth reading, enjoy

I enjoy reading Fung's blogs etc, and I do feel he has a new approach to diabetes therapy that many find works for them. BUT I remind myself that his is a single opinion, and a single voice swimming in the sea of nutrition, and at present what he puts forward is very definitely contrary to the conventional understanding of endocrinology. His science is sometimes tailored to meet his viewpoint and appears to be sound, but under careful scrutiny there are weaknesses that are not solid facts but merely an opinion. Others are following his lead and we are beginning to see others addressing the science behind it, but so far I class Fung and other book writers and bloggers as being just that, I cannot yet recommend them as primary sources or a one stop shop for all our needs. Follow them by all means, Try their ideas out ok, but be careful not to worship them. They are humans and fallible, and their advice needs to be challenged just like any info shared on this site. If formal gold plated science studies can turn out to be dodo's then what they say could also be wrong for you or me. Remember Ancel Keyes.........Then hopefully forget Ancel Whoever

 

[Oldvatr]

My sentiments exactly. I pointed this usage out some time ago only to receive a whack across the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

Your observation here made me smile, given your username. I am not sure a smack across the snout would be too effective.

 

[Oldvatr]

I wouldn't call it a cure because as soon as I put the weight back on I would get back the pancreatic and liver fat and with it the T2.It is 20 years or more since I had a takeaway, I have never liked them. I'm ok with pizza and seconds and thirds or it though we only tend to have it when the kids come home. I'm about to test ice cream = the weather is right for it. I shall have to be cautious. It was my downfall. Triple helpings with cream!

You describe my OH quite succinctly here. But since I do the hunter gathering and catering in our house, she has been following an LC diet for some time now, although the above behaviour persists (seconds, thirds, scraping the bottom of the pan etc, and ikky cream with added double cream and sprinkles etc.) BUT LCHF has won out in the end. Her weight as certified by the GP has dropped steadily from 20 stone to 14 stone and she hardly notices any deprivation. So it worked for her and she is not diabetic. She would certainly not be able to sustain a calorie restricted diet though.

 

[Boo1979]

I enjoy reading Fung's blogs etc, and I do feel he has a new approach to diabetes therapy that many find works for them. BUT I remind myself that his is a single opinion, and a single voice swimming in the sea of nutrition, and at present what he puts forward is very definitely contrary to the conventional understanding of endocrinology. His science is sometimes tailored to meet his viewpoint and appears to be sound, but under careful scrutiny there are weaknesses that are not solid facts but merely an opinion. Others are following his lead and we are beginning to see others addressing the science behind it, but so far I class Fung and other book writers and bloggers as being just that, I cannot yet recommend them as primary sources or a one stop shop for all our needs. Follow them by all means, Try their ideas out ok, but be careful not to worship them. They are humans and fallible, and their advice needs to be challenged just like any info shared on this site. If formal gold plated science studies can turn out to be dodo's then what they say could also be wrong for you or me. Remember Ancel Keyes.........Then hopefully forget Ancel Whoever

Hes also not an endocrinologist but a nephrologist - he almost certainly knows a lot more about his area of specialist knowledge (kidneys) than any endocrinologist does but by the same token much less about their specialist area of knowledge ( diabetes and other endocrine disorders)

 

[bulkbiker]

but by the same token much less about their specialist area of knowledge ( diabetes and other endocrine disorders)

You reckon? I wonder how his remission/reversal (delete as applicable) rates compare to the endo's..

 

[Oldvatr]

You reckon? I wonder how his remission/reversal (delete as applicable) rates compare to the endo's..

And what pray is the answer to this connundrum that you pose? Who wins? Who is keeping tally /body count?

 

[bulkbiker]

And what pray is the answer to this connundrum that you pose? Who wins? Who is keeping tally /body count?

Great question but I bet the Endo's wouldn't want to publish although I have a sneaking suspicion that Dr F would..
Then again I may have a slight bias.

 

[Crocodile]

Your observation here made me smile, given your username. I am not sure a smack across the snout would be too effective.

Touche. The handle has more to do with the similarity of my surname rather than any similarity to behaviour. I'm heartily gladdened that others don't like the description 'reversed' and see possible erroneous connotations.

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

So when a thread uses words like Reverse or Cure then this will evoke an exaggerated response and lead them down a different path possibly that could be misleading not only to them but to others reading posts they will generate with this same terminology.

I agree, I was trying not to disagree with anyone, I wouldn't use reverse or cure, some people might. I personally think remission is probably the best word - a temporary diminution of the severity of disease or pain.

The internet does allow people to say absolutely anything they like, almost. Baring in mind the problems that has caused perhaps everyone should take everything with a pinch of salt. I find myself frequently double checking articles, looking for empirical evidence and looking up the actual meaning of words that I have confidently used for decades without knowing the dictionary definition.

I mentioned in my previous post what I think constitutes a cure, and that is a c-pep showing normal insulin production as well as having normal pancreatic beta cell mass (no idea where they measure that). Also having an insulin resistance of 1. Any thoughts?

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Any thoughts?

I think "cure" is an appropriate description if someone has gone from being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes to having normal (below prediabetic) blood glucose levels without ongoing meds. Being cured of some medical condition does not mean or even imply that the medical condition couldn't return at some time in the future. I'm sure someone could come with an example of a medical condition that can be permanently cured with no chance of ever returning, but I can't think of one off hand.

 

[Peridot67]

I'm at the beginning of my journey. Attempting to stop my pre diabetes changing into a diabetes diagnosis. Diet being the key, I am really struggling to find something that will lower my blood sugar level and shed some of this tummy weight. I've cut right down on carbs and excluded wheat (as I'm intolerant) and am now trying slim fast. Good news is that I've already lowered my blood sugars back to a normal range but 8 weeks in, overall I've put on 3lbs! Very frustrating! We are all individuals and need to find what's right for us, I'm still searching and still hungry an hour after eating. Good news is I'm being interviewed for a trial with SYNEXUS on the 31st so fingers crossed I'll be accepted on to the trial (to reverse pre diabetes and prevent type 2 by diet & exercise trial) and get some help. I'm also crippled with osteoarthritis in my spine and one hip and fibromyalgia so finding a way to exercise is going to be interesting since I can't even wash up or prepare food without much pain. Still, I live in hope - to find what will work for me as an individual. I'm very interested in Michael Mosleys 8 week blood sugar diet though and wonder if anyone else has any experience of that.