borofergie
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Sid Bonkers said:
Starving to death is not conducive to a long life. Google "rabbit poisoning"
Bonkers said:
Google "Pemmican."
Sid Bonkers said:borofergie said:I don't agree. The effort expended in killing small animals such as rabbits is large in comparison to the amount of meat you'd get.
But a lot safer and conducive to living a long life.
Bonkers said:borofergie said:A single Bison would feed the tribe for weeks, if not months.
They must have had one hell of a fridge to fit a Bison in, or do you think they smoked it to preserve it for 'months'?
Pemmican: A Nutritious Buffalo Meat Product
There are different definitions of pemmican but the main concept is that pemmican was a powder made of dried, mainly buffalo meat, which was mixed with berries and sealed in hot fat. Pemmican was nutritious and rich in protein and formed a part of the staple diet of the Plains tribes.
To make the pemmican, the buffalo meat was first cut into long strips which were then hung in the open air to dry. The strips had to be thoroughly dried. The dried meat was then pounded. Some sources include a stage of roasting the dried meat before pounding it. A maul, or hammer with a stone head and a wooden handle was used to pound the meat in a leather bowl of sorts until it was frayed and fluffy.
Once the meat had been pounded, it was mixed and kneaded with wild fruit, mostly wild cherries, and with animal fat. The mass was then formed into compact little tablets or cakes. This way, the meat could be preserved for long periods of time and could be eaten in times when fresh meat could not be had, for example during the long, cold winters or when the tribe was on the war path.
borofergie said:Thanks BlindDog.
That also shows that they ate saturated fat, because unlike vegetable fats, it doesn't go rancid, and is therefore suitable for preservation.
Which is another great reason why you shouldn't eat vegetable oil, especially from that oxidised bottle of Olive Oil that is in your cupboard.
Borofergie said:I don't agree. The effort expended in killing small animals such as rabbits is large in comparison to the amount of meat you'd get. A single Bison would feed the tribe for weeks, if not months.
xyzzy said:jopar said:Still think you and your mates can kill one with nothing more than a sharp stick or stone tool! And on foot just like a prehistoric/stone age man!
er... Yes. Isn't that exactly what modern hunter gatherer tribes do around the world today? I've even seen them do it on TV or was it all staged like the moon landings?
What is not disputed is that before the introduction of horses, bison were herded into large chutes made of rocks and willow branches and then stampeded over cliffs. These Buffalo jumps are found in several places in the U.S. and Canada, such as Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump. Large groups of people would herd the bison for several miles, forcing them into a stampede that would ultimately drive many animals over a cliff. The large quantities of meat obtained in this way provided the hunters with surplus, which was used in trade. A similar method of hunting was to drive the bison into natural corrals, such as the Ruby site.
jopar said:Because where does lard and olive oil come into a debate on what sort of diet and hunting abilities that prehistoric man had!
Paul1976 said:So herbivores are mainly lean mammals according to some people? Try telling the Hippo or Giant panda that!
jopar said:Can we stick to facts! As you well know that I've not said that prehistoric man didn't eat meat nor man didn't evolve to eat meat, I can only assume that you starting to make these claims because you'll slowly losing the debate!
jopar said:Which is, how much of the prehistoric man was based on High Fat/Protein! which stemmed from information that your diet was 80% fat based, which you considered to be near prehistoric man!
Now what does a 20,000 year old cave drawing which was painted after the prehistoric man period, showing a Bison type animal and a dying caveman tell me!
jopar said:That hunting animals was fraught with dangers, that cost human life... And it seems that the Bison was still on the go, so the spear in it's back may have wounded, but may not have mortally wounded the animal!
The second picture shows hunters standing in front of running deer, which in my opinion not a wise place to be standing if you want to survive to have tea! Again it shows that the deer of the time where a lot bigger than humans...
But again, you can make assumptions to whether the animals are fat or whether they would be successful enough in their hunting endeavours to supply a constant supply of meat or that this meat supply made a greater portion of k
I think that again, you getting your time periods all mixed up again! As did prehistoric man, not only have the ability to store food, but do so in a manner that prevent other scavengers from swiping it! Don't forget prehistoric and paleo man were nomadic following the food source! They weren't cultivating or starting to farm livestock! This didn't happen really until caveman that the human race started to settle and make the first steps into cultivating, then domesticating animals!Borofergie said:I don't agree. The effort expended in killing small animals such as rabbits is large in comparison to the amount of meat you'd get. A single Bison would feed the tribe for weeks, if not months.
And how great could their diet have been, after all the suggested life span for the prehistoric man etc was 30-40 years! Life expectancy never particularly improved until the 19th century!
xyzzy said:More on Bison hunting ....
bison were herded into large chutes made of rocks and willow branches and then stampeded over cliffs.
jopar said:Well looking at the results of the Swedish T1 study just released, which was carb intake of >75g's, it showed that levels had raised at 6 months, and stayed raised at the 4 year marker! And if I remember rightly that in the group that failed the raise at 4 years was actually less than those who maintained the VLC diet!
Furthermore the triglyceride level was significantly lowered whereas the levels for total cholesterol and HDL-cholesterol were unchanged. Conclusion: the present report shows that a 70-90 g carbohydrate diet is a feasible long-term alternative in the treatment of type 1 diabetes and leads to improved glycaemic control.
The majority of human existence on earth has been characterised by society made up of small bands of hunter-gatherers, who adapted and evolved in response to an ever-changing and often hostile natural environment. In Britain, evidence of early humans, in the form of stone tools, human remains and butchered animals, has been identified dating back at least half a million years. Recent discoveries in East Anglia potentially push this evidence back to over 800,000 years ago. Humans have not been continuously present during these millennia; a succession of ice ages rendered much of northern Europe, including the area now forming the British Isles, uninhabitable for long periods. Bands of hunter-gatherers, following migrating animal herds, would re-occupy the landscape during the warmer interglacials. This period, down to the end of the last Ice Age, is known to archaeologists as the Palaeolithic (or ‘Old Stone Age’).
Sid Bonkers said:Paul1976 said:So herbivores are mainly lean mammals according to some people? Try telling the Hippo or Giant panda that!
Try killing a hippo and then skinning it with a flint axe!! :lol:
Sid Bonkers said:xyzzy said:More on Bison hunting ....
bison were herded into large chutes made of rocks and willow branches and then stampeded over cliffs.
And how exactly would that have been accomplished in East Anglia, even in Kent where I live I'd have to herd them all the way to Dover to find a cliff and that wouldnt have been much help is it drops straight into the sea, thats if the cliffs were even there in palaeolithic times :lol:
So joking aside how exactly would a nomadic people have found handy cliffs to stampede extremely dangerous wild bison over?
borofergie said:Sid Bonkers said:So joking aside how exactly would a nomadic people have found handy cliffs to stampede extremely dangerous wild bison over?
The clue is in the word "Nomadic". They moved with the animal herds. No-one lived in East Anglia all the time.
Megafauna
England had many large land mammals from some 700,000 years ago. Their rise, which followed the fall of the reptiles 65 million years ago, saw a great increase in their size. They included Cave Bears, Cave Lions, elephants, hippos, hyenas, mammoth, panthers and tigers. Then, hunter-gathering Men arrived about 12,000 years ago. Half the megafauna went extinct in the next 2,000 years. The rest went with settlement, around 5-6,000 years ago.
Defren said:This thread is like watching a game of tennis.
jopar said:xyzzy said:jopar said:Still think you and your mates can kill one with nothing more than a sharp stick or stone tool! And on foot just like a prehistoric/stone age man!
er... Yes. Isn't that exactly what modern hunter gatherer tribes do around the world today? I've even seen them do it on TV or was it all staged like the moon landings?
Do modern man, do as Borofergie was suggesting kill a Bison?
Notice the actual size of the animals that are hunted by tribes such as pygmies, they are quite a bit smaller than a Bison! And they have various methods that were available to prehistoric man! Such as blow pipes, the ability to entrap animals... But their meat intake was purely based on how successful their hunting was! And they relied a lot on the gathering aspect to ensure that they were fed! Plus don't forget their abilities of being able to store and preserve meat they've caught is something that has been created over millions of years, and techniques used were unlikely to have been around in prehistoric man's time!
But heck, seeing your other posts wonder what else you'll going to come up with to distract or should I say derail the thread!
Because where does lard and olive oil come into a debate on what sort of diet and hunting abilities that prehistoric man had!
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