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Symptomatic Prediabetes - CONFUSED!

mamab77

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
I have recently been told my blood tests show prediabetes levels (43). I asked for the test because I have symptoms which I recognised from my diabetic mother (T2) - thirst, exhaustion, itching. The GP who called me with test results confidently told me the symptoms which had lead to testing cannot exist before "FULL BLOWN!" diabetes (he was quite dramatic). Am I imagining them then?

Edit - probably in obese category, quite some stomach gurth, 48, menopausal as hell
 
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Hi @mamab77 .
Sorry your doctor has been unsympathetic and unsupportive.

HbA1c of 43 is just into pre-diabetes levels. So it is possible that you will be able to turn this round fairly quickly. Members here have reported symptoms just as you have, when they have HbA1c in pre-diabetes range. If I were to have a response like you did from GP I would be insisting they carry out diagnostic tests to get to the root cause of the symptoms. Menopause can cause similar symptoms too.

It is possible that tweaking your diet to reduce the carbohydrates consumed will alleviate symptoms, but maybe you could challenge the doctor to investigate and provide some sort of solution, too?
 
Hi @mamab77 .
Sorry your doctor has been unsympathetic and unsupportive.

HbA1c of 43 is just into pre-diabetes levels. So it is possible that you will be able to turn this round fairly quickly. Members here have reported symptoms just as you have, when they have HbA1c in pre-diabetes range. If I were to have a response like you did from GP I would be insisting they carry out diagnostic tests to get to the root cause of the symptoms. Menopause can cause similar symptoms too.

It is possible that tweaking your diet to reduce the carbohydrates consumed will alleviate symptoms, but maybe you could challenge the doctor to investigate and provide some sort of solution, too?
Thank you for your reply. I am booked for further blood work and a discussion around possible change of HRT - but have screenings quite regularly- liver etc due to having crohns (well managed no current inflammation). It's certainly off putting to be told you don't feel how you feel isn't it! Although I'm mindful hormones could be adding to the perfect storm even if not causing it
 
Thank you for your reply. I am booked for further blood work and a discussion around possible change of HRT - but have screenings quite regularly- liver etc due to having crohns (well managed no current inflammation). It's certainly off putting to be told you don't feel how you feel isn't it! Although I'm mindful hormones could be adding to the perfect storm even if not causing it
@mamab77 Being pre diabetic, in my opinion, does not exclude you from having ‘diabetic’ symptoms. The risk of symptoms is more like a curve on a graph. The higher your blood sugars go the more likely you are to start having diabetic symptoms. It’s ‘not a cliff edge’ once you are diabetic, it’s based on likelihood. And individual reactions to elevated blood sugars are different in everyone.
Even so, I would certainly check out other possible causes as has already been suggested.
 
@mamab77 Being pre diabetic, in my opinion, does not exclude you from having ‘diabetic’ symptoms. The risk of symptoms is more like a curve on a graph. The higher your blood sugars go the more likely you are to start having diabetic symptoms. It’s ‘not a cliff edge’ once you are diabetic, it’s based on likelihood. And individual reactions to elevated blood sugars are different in everyone.
Even so, I would certainly check out other possible causes as has already been suggested.
Thank you. It's just very confusing isn't it when everything online also says prediabetes is not symptomatic. You doubt your own knowing
 
Thank you. It's just very confusing isn't it when everything online also says prediabetes is not symptomatic. You doubt your own knowing
Or the symptoms are so subtle they are barely noticeable . Raised blood sugars, as in pre and T2 diabetes , may well be a symptom of broader metabolic issues.
 
I have recently been told my blood tests show prediabetes levels (43). I asked for the test because I have symptoms which I recognised from my diabetic mother (T2) - thirst, exhaustion, itching. The GP who called me with test results confidently told me the symptoms which had lead to testing cannot exist before "FULL BLOWN!" diabetes (he was quite dramatic). Am I imagining them then?

Edit - probably in obese category, quite some stomach gurth, 48, menopausal as hell
when I was diagnosed the targets were higher to be classed diabetic (57) I think.... id had diabetic symptoms for at least 2 years prior to diagnosis and 1st test my hba1c was lower than the 57 and back then they did not say things like (pre diabetic). you were or you were not!!

now, I knew they symptoms quite well as quite a history in the family so I may just have been hyper aware of the changes, and eventually the diagnosis came

so, in my opinion you can tell some of the symptom early
 
Just a thought, but hba1cs can also either be slightly incorrect (lab error) or distorted by various blood conditions eg anaemia

So though it's usually accurate as to diabetes status, it isn't always....
 
I have recently been told my blood tests show prediabetes levels (43). I asked for the test because I have symptoms which I recognised from my diabetic mother (T2) - thirst, exhaustion, itching. The GP who called me with test results confidently told me the symptoms which had lead to testing cannot exist before "FULL BLOWN!" diabetes (he was quite dramatic). Am I imagining them then?

Edit - probably in obese category, quite some stomach gurth, 48, menopausal as hell
I had a full range of diabetic symptoms literally for years while my BGs were only slightly above normal range. The "you can't have symptoms while you're pre-diabetic" is complete nonsense. NHS textbooks on diabetes clearly recognise that symptoms can start at only mildly elevated levels, and equally some people with quite high BGs can have no symptoms at all.

An HbA1c of 48mmol/mol was agreed not that long ago internationally (around 2009) to be the blood glucose level at which all countries would accept that an individual was diabetic, symptomatic or not. One of the reasons it was chosen was that serious retinopathy is relatively rare at BG levels below that figure - relatively rare does not (obvs) mean non-existent. It was compounded in the UK by the GP payment system using 48mmol/mol from 2004 on as the trigger point for a "diagnosing diabetes" payment. That essentially officially told GPs that there was no reward and no incentive to do anything about lower, but still abnormal, glucose levels.

Your experience sounds quite like mine. I went to the GP with a range of symptoms - weight gain, swollen legs, and kidney failure was where it started, and was told that I didn't have diabetes as my BG wasn't high enough. Each symptom was treated individually (and ineffectually), although Dr Google was consistently telling me it was classic T2. However I believed what my GP was telling me.

So for around ten years I continued adding symptoms all of which are classic "high blood glucose" effects, and my BG was rising (although no-one told me). Eventually in December 2019, I was told that I was diabetic after all, as my BG was now high enough. I went extreme low carb and had normal BG by April 2020, and the symptoms mainly went at the same time, although I have some permanent damage....

None of that means that you're in the same boat. There are other possible causes, and as has been said above HbA1c results can be wildly out sometimes, particularly if tested locally. But in your shoes I would be ensuring that the GP at least checked for other possible causes of your symptoms. The good news is that a low carb diet will for many people reduce both blood glucose levels and eventually body fat - I had lost about 90lbs from my starting weight in 2020 by end of 2024. That's everything I'd gained since 2009 plus a bit.

Best of luck. This forum is a great resource and has been my number one source of T2 advice and support since 2019.

@Rachox - thanks for the tag
 
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