I agree with you totally . It's actually pathetic that people would be misled this way. I have great admiration for anyone that has lost weight on a liquid VLC diet but it's no way to live your life or plan your future . Sending a message that's it's the best way to deal with diabetes long term is ridiculousAfter thinking about it a bit last night and this morning, I've realised I'm now livid about that program and its presentation of diabetes, particularly surrounding the OGTT graph I took the screen grab of.
It's bizarre that the two dots were connected with a line. It's also bizarre that the three coloured bands in the background are the same all the way across - the good, medium and bad zones should be different for the start and end of the test.
Anyway that's just a minor thing which makes me seriously question the 'expert' who produced and interpreted that graph.
Far more importantly, this morning, all around Britain, not only lump-heads, but also decent intelligent people, will believe that "all you have to do to cure diabetes is go on a crash diet for 9 weeks." The BBC has told them so via medical experts in this programme.
But as far as I'm concerned all we really saw with Paul was a party trick.
Re the OGTT, he'd been in constant calorie deficit for a long time and had a fasting blood glucose of just over 4. I can do that with 3 days of the same calorie deficit or fasting. If I really put my mind to it I could probably get there in 24 hours. And his postprandial increment in an OGTT is pretty much the same as mine - it's 4mmol/l higher at 2 hours. So had I took my OGTT starting at 4 rather than 6, it's reasonable to expect I'd have been at about 8 rather than 10, 2 hours later. Either way the WHO classification system puts me and Paul in the same boat even as things stand.
So there's no reason to believe that there's any great difference between Paul and Me. But Paul's been told he's no longer diabetic and the nation has been told that he's no longer diabetic.
But what if he's like me? Someone losing sensation in his fingers and toes. Someone who only needs to live normally for a few days - go on a walk at the weekend and eat normally afterwards, gaining just a couple of pounds and getting fasting readings right back up in the 9s rather than 4s as a result? Someone who can't have a slice of normal toast without getting a damaging blood sugar spike? Someone who even needs to think carefully about how much milk he puts in his tea? Someone who gets a horrible blood sugar rise during an OGTT?
I think Paul has been lied to, and the nation has been lied to. Is this incompetence and misunderstanding on the part of the medical people in the program, or is this a deliberate distortion of data in order to back up a particular world-view?
I get really annoyed when the Newcastle Diet approach for treating T2 is misrepresented in a negative way, and now I'm equally annoyed that it's been misrepresented in a positive way.
What happened to basic competence with understanding numbers, presenting graphs in a meaningful way, and interpreting simple tests like an OGTT?
I think scientific inquiry is at its best when carried out by competent people with child-like wonder about how the universe works, but what we saw last night was possibly an inquiry carried out by incompetent people who are more interested in proving the world works the way they already thought it did.
Livid.
I need a cup of tea.
Thank you that was very informative I just wondered why you keep referring to him as Paul the priest but do not refer to any one else on the program by their profession or expanding on how him being a priest affects the diet or program, or outcome or in fact how it has any bearing on the discussion, your reply tells me more about you than him.
No offense taken or intended just a good job he was not a proctologist , don't you know I'm always tongue in cheek.
Now you come to mention the P P connection
Paul the Proctologist would not be so bad.
One day a while ago I didn't have time to make a packed lunch and I dreaded driving out at lunch to get something. In the end I went to a greasy spoon cafe and had bacon, egg, mushrooms, and I know I shouldn't, but also a sausage and a slice of black pudding. The last two will have been carby, but at least I didn't end up in KFC.
don't you know I'm always tongue in cheek.
Give this recipe a try, good as a hot meal or cold the next day in a lunch box:
https://www.ditchthecarbs.com/grain-free-kfc/
What was made a lot less of in the programme was that he was a married Roman Catholic priest with grandkids..which I found quite surprising..it was only because I had read something about the prog that I knew that was the case.No offense taken or intended just a good job he was not a proctologist , don't you know I'm always tongue in cheek.
Now you come to mention the P P connection
Paul the Proctologist would not be so bad.
Im sure the kids of the church are pleased?What was made a lot less of in the programme was that he was a married Roman Catholic priest with grandkids..which I found quite surprising..it was only because I had read something about the prog that I knew that was the case.
Give this recipe a try, good as a hot meal
Not that unusual now as many Anglican priests migrated to the Roman Catholic church a while back bringing their families with them.What was made a lot less of in the programme was that he was a married Roman Catholic priest with grandkids..which I found quite surprising..it was only because I had read something about the prog that I knew that was the case.
Apparently I'm very overweight and should be trying a 1200-1500 calorie diet.. wonder what it would have told the old me... lets try...Not that unusual now as many Anglican priests migrated to the Roman Catholic church a while back bringing their families with them.
I just came across this on the BBC web site regarding crash diets not sure if any one else came across it.
https://www.bbc.com/food/diets/cras...xperiment_test&intc_linkname=bbcone_em_low_c3
Rather long link I know
If you click on the link at the bottom of the page where is says expert advice on crash diets it takes you to a page with a fair bit of info.
You have as good as called me a liar. Worse still you have as good as called Prof Taylor a liar when he tells us that losing fat from the liver and pancreas will reverse diabetes, and further has helped us all so much by making a breakthrough in discovering the cause of diabetes: "The body of research by Professor Roy Taylor now confirms his Twin Cycle Hypothesis – that Type 2 diabetes is caused by excess fat actually within both liver and pancreas." http://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/archive/2017/09/type2diabetesisreversible/And, @Tannith, for as long as you keep ignoring my offer to send you some Rapilose, and ignoring my pledge to do the ND for 8 weeks if you get a good result in an OGTT, I'll have to assume you are not, in fact, remotely curious about the Newcastle Diet, its effects, and spreading the health benefits that you apparently strongly believe it has.
I really cannot comprehend your complete lack of response. You have repeatedly, in this thread and others, told people to do the ND, now finally you have someone saying they are willing to do it, but you ignore that.
I am at this point seriously suspicious of you. I hope you will prove me wrong.
Thanks. I didn't know that.
You have as good as called me a liar. Worse still you have as good as called Prof Taylor a liar when he tells us that losing fat from the liver and pancreas will reverse diabetes, and further has helped us all so much by making a breakthrough in discovering the cause of diabetes: "The body of research by Professor Roy Taylor now confirms his Twin Cycle Hypothesis – that Type 2 diabetes is caused by excess fat actually within both liver and pancreas." http://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/archive/2017/09/type2diabetesisreversible/
And you expect a response?!
You have as good as called me a liar. Worse still you have as good as called Prof Taylor a liar when he tells us that losing fat from the liver and pancreas will reverse diabetes, and further has helped us all so much by making a breakthrough in discovering the cause of diabetes: "The body of research by Professor Roy Taylor now confirms his Twin Cycle Hypothesis – that Type 2 diabetes is caused by excess fat actually within both liver and pancreas." http://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/archive/2017/09/type2diabetesisreversible/
And you expect a response?!
One for the crash diet supporters:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ley-experts-agree-800-calorie-diet-works.html
You have as good as called me a liar. Worse still you have as good as called Prof Taylor a liar when he tells us that losing fat from the liver and pancreas will reverse diabetes, and further has helped us all so much by making a breakthrough in discovering the cause of diabetes: "The body of research by Professor Roy Taylor now confirms his Twin Cycle Hypothesis – that Type 2 diabetes is caused by excess fat actually within both liver and pancreas." http://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/archive/2017/09/type2diabetesisreversible/
And you expect a response?!
They said nothing on the BBC programme about metabolism starting to slow. Prof Taylor said that if you follow his diet with eating two thirds of what you ate before you will maintain the weight loss. I did this and not only maintained the weight loss but have lost a further couple of pounds since I finished the diet at the turn of the year! Its a bit of a sweeping statement that "most people know" that its almost impossible''' "as your metabolism slows..." People often do start to regain but have you any proof that its to do with their metabolism slowing - at least for any length of time - or is this an urban myth? Perhaps its just that they return to their former eating habits?But that is simply incorrect.. his method of effectively starving people to lose weight is, as most people know, almost impossible to maintain afterwards as your metabolism slows and you start to regain. If however you lose weight whilst eating properly without severe restriction it becomes far easier to maintain. That is why I have such a huge problem with the ND. Prof Taylor is simply setting people up to fail in much the same way as the Biggest Loser program does. If you can't maintain the slimmer state then whilst you may have had the benefits for a few months in the long term its a bit pointless. Stop blaming the people for whom this is ineffective and look at the methodology which may be what is at fault.
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