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"The Truth About Carbs"?

Discussion in 'Diabetes Soapbox - Have Your Say' started by Indy51, Jun 3, 2018.

  1. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    I am not sure how deeply Dr Unwin is with LC diets. In the past he has introduced them gently into his practice and patients, but IMO would not consider keto diets for example. I think his work with PHC and Diabetes Community (this site) has helped him and in this prog he seemed to be more supportive than in the past. I think he is still going softly softly catchee monkey. I was pleasantly surprised by his responses tonight. Don't forget that as an active GP he still has to toe the official line as laid down by NICE, but that advice did become more patient centred this last year so gives a bit of leeway to ease up on the diet. He used such loophole to allow his work in the practice where he started a trial to show that diet can be used as a tool, but it was quite low key. He did get an award as an NHS innovator which was proper recognition for this work @bulkbiker will know more about this than I do.
     
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  2. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    @SockFiddler if it sounds too good to be true.... it normally is.

    Not in 2wks but years, it takes.... some decades.
    That's why I'm going down bariatric route to cut some time off. It won't bypass the hard work and then maintenance but will knock a few years of slow boring depressing weight loss for me to be enthusiastic to get in remission, again.
    Some have a huge job on their hands. Decades of work not weeks.
     
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  3. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Dr Unwin is not, I believe, a proponent of LCHF diet or keto. He is LC only as far as I know.
     
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    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    They did get the baker to tell us about stone ground flour and milling to preserve all the goodness, as opposed to factory bread which tastes like plastic. So they did cover it.
     
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    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    I enjoyed it too, and,no, I did not find it patronising even after nearly 4 years of low carb lifestyle and 15 years of being a PWD.
     
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    Diawara Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    i ve just been on the DESMOND course (monday) i found it helped me a bit but they were talking low carb diets to lose weight i had a quiet word with one of the nurses and showed her my monitoring diary for the last three months which she was most impressed no figures over 7.0....at the end of the session she asked me if i would give the rest of the group my story ..low carb diet weight loss 24 kilos since november but most of it since diagnosis weight has been constant for at least six weeks..certainly this course has wised up...my hb1ac test is in a few days and yes this website is brilliant ...
     
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  7. briped

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    Did they recommend ryebread? It may be slightly better than white bread, but still not good enough imho. I quit eating it a couple of months ago. I've attached a pic of the declaration on the ryebread currently in the fridge (my husband eats it). It's in Danish/Swedish, but should make sense :) ½ a slice is roughly 30g, and quite a small portion. My husband eats 2 slices for lunch, for example. rugbrød 2018-06-07 07.53.57.jpeg
     
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  8. Indy51

    Indy51 Type 2 · Expert

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    I made toast from frozen bread - usually multigrain - for years. I still ended up with Type 2. Never done the cracker test though and don't plan on doing so at this late date now that I've learned to live without gluten containing grains.
     
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    I've tried all sorts of different n=1 resistant starch experiments, but they all took my blood glucose too high.
    So I just don't bother any more.
    Nowadays if I want to splurge a little on carbs they are root veg or gluten free and are smothered in butter, cream or meat fat, which lowers and extends the spike better for me than relying on resistant starch ever did.

    Of course, combining fats and carbs is bad for overall health in the long run, and bad for the waistline in the short run. So I save it for special occasions.
     
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  10. bulkbiker

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    He's quite into them.. he calls bananas sticks of sugar and vehemently expresses his hatred of them. I'm not sure he fully espouses keto yet but is doing a load of work with Arjun from this site on getting the message out there, which is the most important thing. I think the award was probably more about saving the money but again that is simply another avenue to get the word out. surgeries can save money using dietary treatments.. I'm just pleased he is there getting the word out plus you couldn't meet a more charming guy and Dr Jen Unwin is awesome as well.
    Edit to add re towing the NICE lines he uses the loophole of the "individualised treatment plans" to get round those and is quite open about doing so.. His teaspoons of sugar per food type (which I think he came up with on his own) is pure genius when trying to explain carb content and is a major tool for opening peoples eyes to what they are eating.
     
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    From what I can recall, Dr Unwin (known as Southportgp here on this forum) actually tried out his sugar in carbs ideas here. He started a thread showing images of different foods and their sugar content. I think it was piles of sugar cubes back then, rather than teaspoons of sugar. He even asked for feedback and adjusted his information after collective member input.

    A lovely, helpful, positive member.

    I have just had a look for both his profile and his list of threads, but came up empty. So he may have deleted his profile for professional reasons, or the thread may have been lost in one of the site upgrades, but I am sure I won't be the only one to remember it. I believe @DCUKMod contributed to the sugar cube thread too.
     
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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    Watching now.
    I liked the explanation of how reheating carbs which have fat attached can increase good bacteria (resistant starch).
    I love my reheated buttered mash potato on a Sunday.
     
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    Yes, and he still uses the sugar cube way these days, as he believes people find that easier to grasp, "from cold".
     
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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    Sugary energy drinks as mouthwash to lose weight.
    I'm changing my mouthwash. Although my dentist will love that.... NOT.
     
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    He is still here as @Southport GP but I don't have time to search for the thread you mention.
     
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    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Last seen 1 year 12 weeks ago, so no longer browsing here it would seem.
     
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    ringi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    This is bad editing, they used CGMs and looked at the change in predicted HbA1c from before people where told about low carb to 2 weeks after. It would have been much better if they just talked about adverage BG.
     
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    #79 ringi, Jun 7, 2018 at 9:28 AM
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  20. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    I think he has been doing a few other things though...
     
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