Well said!!
Well said!!I can see that you can nit pick and find faults with the program, but I believe for someone that hasn't been introduced to low carb it would give them a great insight and hopefully spur a lot of people on to give it a try. There are still a lot of people with type 2 out there who are still just following their doctors orders and taking the meds while eating carbs. I don't think it was aimed at the experienced 'experts' . An excellent program on the whole for the lay man. I am grateful for it as I sat and watched it with my OH and it explained to him why I follow this 'fad' diet - as he had previously called it.
I took a further reading at 3 hours and was still flat-lining. This made me hopeful that I can expand my very small repertoire of 'desserts' without going down the artificial sweetener route (which I'm on the brink of thanks to the idea of keto key lime pie!), so I did some reading around for pros and cons.
Are you sure it's as bad as you say for small amounts of fructose from whole fruits? As always trying to read up on stuff has led me to conflicting reports. My reading at this point mostly suggests that fructose will only be converted to fat in the liver if it's glycogen stores are full, and that fructose does not trigger the release of insulin (that bit really shocked me, and the article was referring to it being recommended for diabetics which I'd never heard before!)
The fructose is never converted to energy. The liver makes sure of that by converting it to fat to store round itself.
Fructose goes straight to the liver
Good explanation here
https://www.dietdoctor.com/fructose-fatty-liver-sugar-toxin
I think the fact that only the liver can metabolise fructose is very interesting, but I'm still not sure what that makes fructose bad in small amounts. And that's exactly my question: is it bad in small amounts, such as one pear a day? Also, if just before going on a walk?
I think the fact that only the liver can metabolise fructose is very interesting, but I'm still not sure what that makes fructose bad in small amounts.
I think the fact that only the liver can metabolise fructose is very interesting, but I'm still not sure what that makes fructose bad in small amounts. And that's exactly my question: is it bad in small amounts, such as one pear a day? Also, if just before going on a walk?
It seems to me that it goes straight to the liver, where it then gets converted to glycogen, not fat, unless your liver is already stocked full of glycogen. So assuming (and I don't know if this is true) that the liver is a last-in-first-out storage thing, then you are going to be using up that glycogen pretty readily. In some ways it may be kinder to blood sugar levels because it has to go through the middle-man of the liver before, from there, being released slowly as glucose.
my grandma used to say "if in doubt, leave it out". Now, admittedly, this was about laundry and what to put in the laundry basket, but still..........................
Did you read that link?
Yes, it was one of the articles I'd read earlier.
I think it was that article which mentioned that fructose was particularly good at causing a fatty liver, which lead me to further research and studies which showed that was only true in a scenario of weight gain, where test subjects (not always human) were deliberately over-fed things like glucose and fructose to see any differences.
Why, have I missed something?
Not true in my case, I got fatty liver when I was losing weight, because although I cut carbs I followed the diabetic nurses advice to eat a lot of fruit.
I think the key phrase is ‘over-fed’.
I mean, for me and my body then being ‘over-fed’ carbs is eating more than around 10-15g carbs. I am v carb sensitive and my body shows this by a number of signals, including raised blood glucose and insulin resistance. But that isn’t normal, is it? Normal people can gallumph 200+g carbs a day without blinking. So their idea of carb ‘over-feeding is v different from mine.
The signs are not quite so easily spotted with fructose and a fatty liver, but heck... i would want to err well on the side of caution. And lets face it, most T2s have a fatty liver which makes it likely that they have been having too much fructose (amongst other things) for years.
So if I have a carb sensitivity, and a tendency to a fatty liver, then any fructose is unhelpful. I’m not messing about guessing how much is too much no matter how much i enjoy apples. That kind of thinking is what got me to diabetic blood glucose levels, isn’t it? I’m not repeating the error with fructose and my liver.
Having said all of that, i have a tower of wee strawberry plants growing on the garden table. 9 baby plants. Maybe 6 strawbs per plant this year. 50-60 strawberries spread over June and July. Mr B may see a couple of them. That is a fructose intake I am willing to ‘risk’It is a race. Me or the blackbirds. They don’t stand a chance.
May I refer back to Post #98 of this thread where i posted an overview study of the recent (2016) science behind the Fructose question. It is still not proven.The fructose is never converted to energy. The liver makes sure of that by converting it to fat to store round itself. The sucrose and fibre elements of fruit are separated and treated like any other sugars and fibre. A Conference Pear is around 13 to 14% carb, all of which is sugar of one sort or another. Then you have to take into consideration most fruits trigger large insulin responses.
May I refer back to Post #98 of this thread where i posted an overview study of the recent (2016) science behind the Fructose question. It is still not proven.
Much of the study about fructose comes from the states where high fructose corn syrup ( ie a highly processed Frankenstein food that does not naturally exist) is fed to human and non human subjects at high doses.
High fructose corn syrup has historically been added widely to US foods but not in Europe as far as I know
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