LooperCat
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They’re different. DP is predictable and happens every day in the wee hours. FOTF depends - for me at least - usually starts within an hour of me crawling out of bed.
They’re different. DP is predictable and happens every day in the wee hours. FOTF depends - for me at least - usually starts within an hour of me crawling out of bed.Cheers thanks. @Scott-C Is foot on the floor different from lump dump or dawn phenomenon? I like the idea of creative insulin techniques and I think I've been having my creative moments. Certainly, I've been having a prick without food after all, I was told on DAFNE that it was good to keep within range. There was no mention really of blousing without food. Seems like another reason I should get a cgm
I tell Elvis I’m having 10g fast carbs when I wake up, even though I’m not actually eating them.
oh wow !!!!! amazing --- LOL that was one of the big reasons we chose crewe -- it is so accessible from brum . manchester . preston . north wales , liverpool .......etc etc
venue yet to be finalised but somewhere in walking distance of Picadilly -- got 2 manchester natives coming up with venues and talking to them to make sure we are made welcome food wise ( vegan , low carb , vegetarian , carb feast , etc etc )Manchester is my birth place, what part are you meeting up in, but I won't be able to get there.
@Scott-C I won't be around that long so I'd like to nail it nowNo idea if these things are officially categorised, I suppose they're all in the same sort of category, although dawn phenomenon seems to happen in the early hours when we're fast asleep whereas foot on floor is more to do with getting up and moving about.
One of Stephen Ponder's Sugar Surfing themes is that the pancreas intervenes to keep non-T1 bg stable about a dozen times a day, so how can we expect to emulate that with a few shots? Of course, if we get basal right, we very often can, I've had many good days on only a couple of shots, but if it's not playing by the rules, it just seems obvious to tweak it with a few more.
I do wonder sometimes, though, whether the cgm is making me overthink it at times. I suppose, even 3 years into it now, the cgm is still a bit of a novelty, and even though I'll never get tired of the hypo alerts, I wonder whether I'll pay less attention to it like the 27 years before that where provided I was not crazily out of range I wasn't too fussed about it.
Ta, so what's the difference do you think between dawn phenomenon and liver dump? or am I over analysing?They’re different. DP is predictable and happens every day in the wee hours. FOTF depends - for me at least - usually starts within an hour of me crawling out of bed.
@Scott-C I won't be around that long so I'd like to nail it now
SueJB, the dawn phenomenon, also called the dawn effect, is the term used to describe an abnormal early-morning increase in blood sugar (glucose) — usually between 2 a.m. and 8 a.m. — in people with diabetes. It doesn't occur in normal people or in people managing their insulin. I certainly don't experience it now that I've started using insulin.Ta, so what's the difference do you think between dawn phenomenon and liver dump? or am I over analysing?
I'm here at the Cotswold gateway. I'd love to meet some other type 1's in person.Like others, I am up for a Cotswold meet-up, day, time, etc, allowing.
Both dawn phenomenon and feet on the floor effect are liver dumps (your liver dumping glucose). Only difference is that dawn phenomenon happens when still asleep and feet on the floor when you get out of bed.Ta, so what's the difference do you think between dawn phenomenon and liver dump? or am I over analysing?
Kind of the same for me. I don't avoid food in the morning, but I do avoid carbs in the morning, except for a very little amount from the milk in my coffee.Eating before 11am for me just aggravates my after effects of my DP. It's easier for me just to wait to eat.
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