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Weight Watcher getting crushed by Keto

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by kokhongw, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Moderator
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    Yes, WW and SW et al. may suddenly burst out in charitable sponsorship and research funding, to try and raise their public images.
     
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  2. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    I agree with you I just do not remember hearing of a Keto business model that is c40 years old and is making some people a lorra dosh. It will happen, no doubt unless, as you say, peoples mindsets about the whole concept of diet is changed.
     
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  3. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Might not have quite the results they want though...?
     
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  4. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with people making money. I do have a problem with people making money by making other people sick. That’s not necessarily aimed at Weight Watchers. Just a comment on the broader topic of profit-making enterprises in this space. If Jason Fung released another book tomorrow I would buy it on sight even if I had no intention of reading it. Mainly because the guy saved my life :D
     
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  5. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    He just has.... not sure I like the sound of it though.. "The Longevity Solution"
     
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  6. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Wow. I just checked Apple Books as well, and didn’t see it. I will watch this space. Thanks!
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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  8. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I didn't think I said they were expert because that they are not. One thing they do instill is discipline because we can't ALL eat exactly what we want, unlike some forum members who seem to be able to just watch out for carbs. Just out of interest I wonder how many people reading this have looked into weight watchers? They definitely have interesting recipe ideas. I'm not advocating them but I'm not putting them down either, must be my star sign . . . . . Gemini.
     
  9. Krystyna23040

    Krystyna23040 Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Have just downloaded the kindle edition from Amazon \- so thank you for the link. Unfortunately am just off to work so won't be able to read it until later.
     
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  10. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I understand completely when it comes to BG, but can your really tell in one test whether white bread is worse than other varieties when it comes to weight loss? It's easy to forget that we're a clever bunch on this forum, we don't need anyone to tell us how to lose weight, we already know (in my dreams). There are some people who really don't have a clue and if you've ever spoken to some hospital dieticians who haven't worked out that you're not stupid and speak to you in a most annoyingly condescending manner, like none of us have a clue, then you'll know what I mean.

    I asked her indoors why she sticks to Weight Watchers, especially as weight loss isn't happening this time round (she has or had free membership because she lost weight and then managed to keep the weight off . . . . until she stopped thinking about how much she ate and what she ate.

    She reminded me that she likes the recipes, she likes the meetings which act as an incentive, she also likes the social aspect of the meetings and the "talks" that they receive. I also think she's hooked on the low calorie chocolate bars, essential if you have a sweet tooth.
     
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  11. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    They are currently recruiting for data analysts and researchers to join their existing team in New York.
     
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  12. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    That suggests that a Low Carb kind of programme would/might work for some people, y'know, somewhere where people could meet up and and learn and discuss and socialise? I know of one place, it would be great if it was IRL. ;)
     
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  13. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Master

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    Many years ago :oldman: a friend of mine wanted to go to weight watchers but did not want to go by himself fearing he would me the only bloke there so I joined up with him and we went to meatings and weigh ins regularly I lost about a stone was not particularly overweight to start with he lost over seven stone and kept it off for some time though putting weight back on since he has never reached the weight he was before going.

    I under stand quite well why people persist with WW it is far more than just getting weighed every week there is mutual support within the groups.

    There are I think many paths to a destination some take one others another.
     
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  14. derry60

    derry60 Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    I would love to see W/W bite the dust to be honest. I used to eat their yoghurts, and eat some of their ready meals, their cheese, and anything else that they promoted as healthy. I did not have many of their ready meals as I love to cook and loved my grains etc (That did not help me either) W/W's sell many different products promoting health benefits. I gained weight never lost. I even bought their bacon back in the day. All contained high amounts of sugar and still do. I did not know that at the time. I trusted them. If you look at one of their deserts, one small pot contains 16 grams of sugar. I really believe that it was the carbs and sugar that put me onto the path of pre-diabetes. Slimming world can go as well as far as I am concerned.
     
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    jjraak Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if that would be age..?

    i have seen a graph showing the decline in glucose management in the body v the rise of insulin.
    (seen in one of the videos kindly pointed out to me ) where the two metrics dip and rise respectively as we age, and then BAM
    they cross over and THAT'S when we head into type 2 and insulin resistance territory..(i'm guessing the IR was the Glucose management line)

    Here's a thought re WW/SW

    If we all on here are SO smart to figure out that LCHF COULD be of benefit in losing weight, as testified by SO many.

    Seems odd that weight watchers/slimming world..couldn't have spotted that as well, and adapted what THEY sell.?

    Sure there's a good reason....Business wise..

    but i can't think of ONE that would be a good reason to withhold something that MAY be beneficial to there CORE clients, unless the business model requires an element of failure and returning customers...?

    as someone who has never dieted, until DX when i had to, i sympathies with those who need the help,

    my point is... is that really HELP, when it seems more of a snake oil salesman technique..(come buy my elixir of skinny, guaranteed results ) selling something that MUST know does NOT work in the LONG term.??

    No axe to grind, happy for others to carry one using whatever they find works for them in whatever way.
    and i genuinely hope they find it useful..
    i'm just musing out loud.

    Only reason i am here is Because of the T2D..
    otherwise i'd be struggling i guess, with my weight and following all the bad advice we get given.

    i just hate to see people taken for fools..to line someone's else's pocket.


    Me ? ...i'm happy here in LCHF world :)
     
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  16. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That would be good, I spent a year working for the Central Bank, I loved it, shame I had to go home. My wife, the WW fan has just applied for Irish citizenship. Keep eyes open for a new post ref: low carb and the government.
     
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  17. Ponchu

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    Food Industry
    Pharma industry
    Health Care industry
    Diet Industry
    Regulatory job security
    American Diabetes Association
    American Heart Association

    ...the list goes on of those who contributed to human suffering while profiteering on it.

    Even some charity organizations that beg for donations for cancer research, using emotional manipulation, have had top docs - executives sitting on Pharma boards getting wealthy.
     
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  18. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Apologies, not sure I understand. My IRL is short for 'In Real Life'.
     
  19. Krystyna23040

    Krystyna23040 Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I think that you are absolutely right. A good business model will be to keep the customers coming back over and over again.
     
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  20. Gardengnome

    Gardengnome Don't have diabetes · Well-Known Member

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    I wasted over 40 years [and £££] as a weight watcher and it was only 6 years ago that I finally had the scales lifted from my eyes when a month into yet another WW return I turned up to a class and a dim witted clerk was reading a trashy magazine and taking the money, all the time with a hand in a packet of crisps. They were Weight Watcher crisps so that was OK.o_O Shortly after that there was a TV programme exposing various diets and WW came off badly with all the low fat and high carb nonsense. I bought Michael Moseley's book on Fast Dieting and the weight dropped off, I didn't have that much to lose. What's more 6 years on and it has never returned and although I'm fairly careful I do not diet nor do I touch low fat anything. Sadly though I eat more carbs than I should and my HbA1c is too high. Not yet diabetic but I seem unable to wean myself off fruit, a legacy of over 40 years of weight watching.
    In fact all I did over those 40 years was watch my weight yo-yo. I lost stones with WW but always the same ones.:arghh:
     
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