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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

Unless any statement about these billions potentially saved would be spent on the NHS came directly from the PM David Cameron, which of course they didn't, then the validity of any such statement was non-existent. Only the PM has his top team have any authority to say this. This much should have been obvious.
 
SunnyExpat said:
I don't think our chances of being allowed back in are very high.
Changing our mind down the road won't set the clock back to last Thursday.
The damage has been done, it's better for the rest of the EU to let us crash and burn, as an example for all the other want to be 'leavers'.
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We'd be allowed back in, but under the same terms as anyone else. The Euro, the Schengen area and true political and financial integration. I suspect we'd need to be in a dire position as a country for 51% to agree to that.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Unless any statement about these billions potentially saved would be spent on the NHS came directly from the PM David Cameron, which of course they didn't, then the validity of any such statement was non-existent. Only the PM has his top team have any authority to say this. This much should have been obvious.
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It seems it was obvious to 16146297 people. :)
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Unless any statement about these billions potentially saved would be spent on the NHS came directly from the PM David Cameron, which of course they didn't, then the validity of any such statement was non-existent. Only the PM has his top team have any authority to say this. This much should have been obvious.
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It should have been obvious?
It's quite surprising why people voted leave, if nothing they were told would actually be happening?
 
SunnyExpat said:
It should have been obvious?
It's quite surprising why people voted leave, if nothing they were told would actually be happening?
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To be honest, the press did a pretty rubbish job on questioning them about what leaving meant, and spent far too much time focussing on immigration within the EU.
 
tim2000s said:
To be honest, the press did a pretty rubbish job on questioning them about what leaving meant, and spent far too much time focussing on immigration within the EU.
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Always tell the mark what they want to hear.
They'll do the job for you.
And even tell their friends how good you are.
 
tim2000s said:
But you were told this at the outset. Very early on in the campaign it was made very clear that this simply wasn't how much money was involved at all, and that the likelihood that it would all go into the NHS was incredibly low, but it was all dismissed as project fear and scaremongering, and experts couldn't possibly know what they were talking about.

As it happens, none will now due to the increase in our costs of borrowing last night. If anything, the amount of money available to the NHS will drop as we simply can't afford it, so those services will become worse, not better.
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Certainly with sovereign debt costs increasing and costs of any variant providing us access to the Single Market, we will undoubtedly have less NOT more money to at our national disposal.


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Might be a good thing for type 1 as there hopefully no more interference from Europe with reducing enttlements on Driving licences and as for control no more Adult Education Courses.
 
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Andrew40 said:
Might be a good thing for type 1 as there hopefully no more interference from Europe with reducing enttlements on Driving licences and as for control no more Adult Education Courses.
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Nope it will be bad. Europe will be way ahead of us in the queue when it comes to new drugs.
 
notafanofsugar said:
Am I naive in assuming there will be more money for nhs services?
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NO. Once the dust has settled we will work to become the great country we once were and have a government that we can insist on running the country to our benefit not just rubber stamping the white elephant of the eu which we didnot vote for but paid more and more of not only our money but of our lives to. If our government does not do its job we can vote them out in five years time whereas the eu is like a blood sucking black hole. Do not think that if we had stayed in we would be better off they are planning to take more and more untill each country in the eu will no longer be a proud country but one county in the state of the eu. We will be millions better off which will be spent in this country to our benefit. So please stop scare mongering we need to start talking ourselves up not down
 
Andrew40 said:
Might be a good thing for type 1 as there hopefully no more interference from Europe with reducing enttlements on Driving licences and as for control no more Adult Education Courses.
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The EU were pushing the DVLA to lighten up on the rules about hypos. There was a timescale by which it had to comply, but it might mean that that's not going to happen now.

So, in this case, the EU was agitating on our behalf.
 
Christina2 said:
NO. Once the dust has settled we will work to become the great country we once were and have a government that we can insist on running the country to our benefit not just rubber stamping the white elephant of the eu which we didnot vote for but paid more and more of not only our money but of our lives to. If our government does not do its job we can vote them out in five years time whereas the eu is like a blood sucking black hole. Do not think that if we had stayed in we would be better off they are planning to take more and more untill each country in the eu will no longer be a proud country but one county in the state of the eu. We will be millions better off which will be spent in this country to our benefit. So please stop scare mongering we need to start talking ourselves up not down
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I'm not sure that being a proud country is such a good thing. Pride comes before a fall they say. I would be happy to be one county in the state of the EU. That would ensure peace in Europe for ever. The only time in the last century or so that our country has been great has been in times of war. The cost was far greater than mere money.

Talking ourselves up won't change the fact that we are a lot worse off than we were on Thursday. We need to pull together and face the reality of what we have done.
 
Christina2 said:
NO. Once the dust has settled we will work to become the great country we once were and have a government that we can insist on running the country to our benefit not just rubber stamping the white elephant of the eu which we didnot vote for but paid more and more of not only our money but of our lives to. If our government does not do its job we can vote them out in five years time whereas the eu is like a blood sucking black hole. Do not think that if we had stayed in we would be better off they are planning to take more and more untill each country in the eu will no longer be a proud country but one county in the state of the eu. We will be millions better off which will be spent in this country to our benefit. So please stop scare mongering we need to start talking ourselves up not down
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I think you have a choice.
Sit about talking something like manufacturing back into existence, or accepting what has happened, and actually doing something about it.
The politicians talked the country up, convinced the 'leave' vote to happen, then admitted they had no idea what to do next.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36648664

Opening the session, Mr Juncker said the will of the British people must be respected, prompting shouting and clapping from Mr Farage.

"You were fighting for the exit, the British people voted in favour of the exit - why are you here?" Mr Juncker responded, to applause from others in parliament.

He accused Mr Farage of lying about using the UK's EU contributions to fund the country's National Health Service, saying he had "fabricated reality".

Belgian ex-Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said Mr Farage had used "Nazi propaganda" in the referendum campaign, referring to a poster showing lines of refugees.

"Finally we are going to get rid of the biggest waste in the EU budget, which we have paid for 17 years, your salary!" he told Mr Farage.​
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Unless any statement about these billions potentially saved would be spent on the NHS came directly from the PM David Cameron, which of course they didn't, then the validity of any such statement was non-existent. Only the PM has his top team have any authority to say this. This much should have been obvious.
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Obviously not obvious to the Leave voters who believed it. But perhaps they thought that if Boris became PM after the referendum it would happen.

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mahola said:
I'm just waiting now to see who becomes the new Tory leader. And if he or she has the balls to trigger article 50.

It's all fun and games but my conscience is clear. I voted to remain and I would do it all again in a heartbeat. Labour MPs have voted no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. He has my confidence. That bloke has worked tirelessly for us working class people, since the day he got into politics.
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While I understand he has the support of the active membership, which in terms of numbers is probably not great, he has done nothing to make me want to vote labour as the major alternative to the Right wing Tory Party and I feel, with the current mood of the country, Labour will be decimated if there is a general election any time soon. Tony Blair should never have been allowed any where near the Labour party.
I actually find the situation really depressing in a way I have never before. I can't push it all under the carpet as if it didn't happen.. sorry. :(
 
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