What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

[KevinPotts]

Quite a lot of people are in 'shock' - literally! It's going to be a very interesting few years, but realistically, the NHS is a god-send and everyone is definitely aligned in thinking that it's worth protecting every inch of the way.

I for one applaud your sentiment


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[SunnyExpat]

You are living in cloud cookoo land!!!!!!

I can never refute a well reasoned counterpoint.

 

[zand]

At the end of the day, you can't blame the voters, it is the referendum itself that is to blame. If you want to blame someone, blame Cameron for starting this process in the first place. It has been said that no one had a plan for Brexit, if that is actually true then shame on Cameron for holding this referendum in the first place. If that is trued then it is grossly negligent to allow the public to make such a huge decision without having a forward plan, regardless of the outcome! He got us into this and now he has said "f**k you lot, I am not dealing with this mess"!

Totally agree with this.

 

[linnyb]

But that was in the 60s and very early 70s. We have learned a lot since then. Don't judge us with the same ignorance of those days.
That's unfair.

You are absolutely right. Nobody is saying we want to return to slavery & go back to old fashioned trade agreements. But lets be honest, transport/communication etc is all easier now & the EU have delayed us signing many trade deals because it didn't suit other members. We stood alone as an independent country before & we will again.

 

[SunnyExpat]

Which particular "rules and regulations" do you think will go away @ickihun?

With the move away from the EU, the majority will remain as UK statute due to the way they are inextricably linked in and the scale and cost of the admin task of removing them.

What are you thinking that we might start up to replace old industries that can't be made more cheaply outside the UK? Remember that James Dyson, that bastion of the leave campaign moved construction of his vacuum cleaners to Malaysia because it was cheaper to produce them that way. To all intents and purposes we are a service economy these days with some specialist manufacturing skills and a car industry predicated on better labour laws, business friendly policies and EU access.

If we are selling to the EU, which I assume we still want to do, the products still need to adhere to European standards and carry a CE mark. That doesn't change. What you are considering red tape just isn't going to disappear.


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I was reading some stats on British manufacturing
employs 2.6 million people
contributes 10% of GVA
accounts for 44% of total exports
represents 69% of business research and development (R&D)
provides 15% of business investment

However, it accounts for less than 2% of the world's manufacturing output.

All the majority of 'British' manufacturing is no longer owned by Britain,
British Steel - Tata/Greybull Capitol
Nissan - Nissan Japan
The list goes on with the multinational chemical, pharmaceutical, construction, electronics, food and drink, plastics,textile....
Many are multinationals, with European, Far Eastern, or American parent companies, that bought the British brand many years ago, and keep the brand name, and produce in the UK still for access to the single market.

And 2% won't be a lot to move around to other worldwide manufacturing sites.

 

[linnyb]

Totally agree with this.

Totally agree with this.

I have to agree with you. Cameron was elected, he agreed to the referendum & to be honest our Government are completely out of order not to have considered that the people might choose to opt out. Plans should have been considered!! You can't blame the voters.

 

[ickihun]

I was reading some stats on British manufacturing
employs 2.6 million people
contributes 10% of GVA
accounts for 44% of total exports
represents 69% of business research and development (R&D)
provides 15% of business investment

However, it accounts for less than 2% of the world's manufacturing output.

All the majority of 'British' manufacturing is no longer owned by Britain,
British Steel - Tata/Greybull Capitol
Nissan - Nissan Japan
The list goes on with the multinational chemical, pharmaceutical, construction, electronics, food and drink, plastics,textile....
Many are multinationals, with European, Far Eastern, or American parent companies, that bought the British brand many years ago, and keep the brand name, and produce in the UK still for access to the single market.

And 2% won't be a lot to move around to other worldwide manufacturing sites.

This was why people were crying out for more, especially in the north-east and wales. I even remember Scotland crying out for more business too. If industry was able to set up easily in the uk we wouldnt need other countries business so much.I bet their cost of setting up from scratch come no where close to any new business in the uk projected costs. Because of ticking all the boxes, especially the EU regs.
See no freedom. Restrictions, restrictions.

 

[ickihun]

Which particular "rules and regulations" do you think will go away @ickihun?

With the move away from the EU, the majority will remain as UK statute due to the way they are inextricably linked in and the scale and cost of the admin task of removing them.

What are you thinking that we might start up to replace old industries that can't be made more cheaply outside the UK? Remember that James Dyson, that bastion of the leave campaign moved construction of his vacuum cleaners to Malaysia because it was cheaper to produce them that way. To all intents and purposes we are a service economy these days with some specialist manufacturing skills and a car industry predicated on better labour laws, business friendly policies and EU access.

If we are selling to the EU, which I assume we still want to do, the products still need to adhere to European standards and carry a CE mark. That doesn't change. What you are considering red tape just isn't going to disappear.


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I worked for Churchill Insurance in the 90s and the IT dept. was working from India. A fairly new concept then but happening even then. Coming out of the EU won't change that. But it didn't prevent it either.

 

[linnyb]

Wouldn't it be interesting to see what affect could be created if every person in Britain made sure that they bought one or two purely British products extra each week?? I believe that they did this in Ireland (packaging state purely Irish) & it had a huge affect!

 

[tim2000s]

This was why people were crying out for more, especially in the north-east and wales. I even remember Scotland crying out for more business too. If industry was able to set up easily in the uk we wouldnt need other countries business so much.I bet their cost of setting up from scratch come no where close to any new business in the uk projected costs. Because of ticking all the boxes, especially the EU regs.
See no freedom. Restrictions, restrictions.

Which particular regulations stop homegrown industry from setting up? You say the cost is high, and regulation is blocking, yet we seem to be able to spawn Internet startups with no issue.


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[SunnyExpat]

Wouldn't it be interesting to see what affect could be created if every person in Britain made sure that they bought one or two purely British products extra each week?? I believe that they did this in Ireland (packaging state purely Irish) & it had a huge affect!

Their biggest exports are pharmaceuticals, and chemicals.
Nearly 50% between them.

 

[SunnyExpat]

This was why people were crying out for more, especially in the north-east and wales. I even remember Scotland crying out for more business too. If industry was able to set up easily in the uk we wouldnt need other countries business so much.I bet their cost of setting up from scratch come no where close to any new business in the uk projected costs. Because of ticking all the boxes, especially the EU regs.
See no freedom. Restrictions, restrictions.

Would they be happy to be on the same labour rates as China, and Vietnam?
They weren't when we have to compete last time, which is why we were forced out of traditional manufacturing.

 

[Magisham]

Quite a lot of people are in 'shock' - literally! It's going to be a very interesting few years, but realistically, the NHS is a god-send and everyone is definitely aligned in thinking that it's worth protecting every inch of the way.

Except Boris and Gove if you listened to what they said a few months back!!!!!!

 

[tim2000s]

Except Boris and Gove if you listened to what they said a few months back!!!!!!

And a fair proportion of the conservative party...

Having said that, I do believe that the funding structure currently in place does need some form of change.


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[JohnEGreen]

Four years ago Jeremy Hunt who will still be a member of a Tory government wrote a book detailing his ambitions to ( and plans on how best to bring it about ) dismantle and privatise the NHS.

 

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[donnellysdogs]

So is it true that from all the 28 countries in the EU only 4 were paying more in than they took out? I've heard that 24 countries were taking out more money from the EU than giving-it makes me wonder why the EU aren't wanting talks with Scotland... Is it because they fear another country joining that will be taking more out than putting in if they join?

 

[tim2000s]

So is it true that from all the 28 countries in the EU only 4 were paying more in than they took out? I've heard that 24 countries were taking out more money from the EU than giving-it makes me wonder why the EU aren't wanting talks with Scotland... Is it because they fear another country joining that will be taking more out than putting in if they join?

No, it's not true. It's something like 9 or 10. I'll have to find the graphic.


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[donnellysdogs]

I can only find data going back to 2013..

 

[Catlady19]

I think that is the epitome of brexit.

You have a statement, directly from the President of the German Automotive Industry Association, stating they have no intention of dealing with us, except on their terms. Clear. No possibility it can be mis construed.
A statement of german manufacturing intent, made in public, by their President.
In response, a backbench tory MP, supporting brexit, 'dismissed the warning', and seemed to claim they're actually saying the opposite as a nation, and that they'll come running to us?
Which planet is he on again?
Whichever one it is, it must have a lot of beaches, as a lot of people are living there with their heads in the sand.

Like everyone else in the EU he will have to abide by what it decides for him. The car manufacturers will not want to lose trade and they will put pressure on accordingly.