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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

Sad, the Brexiteers thought they would sock the establishment in the mouth over percieved grievances, but actually they have shot themselves and everybody else in the foot. At the end of the day the fat cats will get fatter and the bitter will get more bitter. A democracy should be judged by how it treats its own and other minorities and not governed by ill will to others. Such is the road to fascism.
 

There are quite a few "rich" hit very hard by the depreciation in sterling, losing hundreds of millions. Of course the likes of Soros made many millions as usual backing the right direction....good for him, he took the risk and will benefit from the upside.

I must say I am slightly troubled by being part of the 125,000 only of those who will decide who the next PM will be...a sort of stratified democracy.


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No pressure then Kevin, vote early and vote often......
 
Hi, I'm sorry: I took the last sentence in your previous post literally ("I'll look after myself and mine..."). Apologies for completely misinterpreting your previous post.

I don't get sad when I see something sad - I get angry. And I have been angry plenty recently with many Leavers repeating, "It's not our problem, it's theirs. Let's just keep our heads down and concentrate on solving our own problems.".

So, when I read that sentence in your post, I basically saw red. . Sorry!!!
 
I'd better join the Tories, and fast!
 
Yes I'm sorry too. The post in question was me seeing red as well. I was angry too but didn't express it as well as you. I suppose I was saying we never know when any of us may need help..... Sorry for misleading you. We are in agreement.
 

Risking putting my foot into my mouth again, but...

Any coffee shop etc would hire ANY girl over ANY boy. I don't think that has anything to do with your son's skin colour. It's just how it works, imho.

I have been on a few conferences over the past couple of years: Nottingham, Manchester, London, Shrewsbury. I stayed in decent, though modest, hotel chains. EVERY TIME, the hotel seemed to have travelled to Poland to recruit 99% of their staff. The remainder was a mixed bag of Orientals, Afro-Caribbeans and, occasionally, British Caucasians. The management positions seemed to have been filled with an Afro-Caribbean British man, a Polish woman, a Polish man, and a British Caucasian. I chatted to them: they all moaned that they had been struggling on with unfilled vacancies due to the lack of applicants until the Eastern Europeans were allowed in. Where were those millions of voters who claimed that Poles stole their jobs away?

The postmaster in my village (British Indian) is mourning Brexit. He also runs the village convenience shop, employing several locals. He said that when the Latvian girl goes home for holidays is the worst time of the year for him. No one would step up to fill in for her; not other employees of his, and not anyone else in the village. He ends up doing it himself.

A friend told me that a well known car factory manager is predicting the factory's closure within five years. Because "Eastern European workers are 80% of our workforce; and the 20% that are not only employed in the easiest jobs we can offer. If it had been up to me, I would not employ any Brits at all. With Polish workers, our productivity doubled, AND we no longer have posts remaining vacant for years.". That manager is British Caucasian.

I also have friends who are working class through and through. They are all employed, and tell me that they didn't have much trouble getting jobs.

I also know a family who are very vocal about them **** foreigners stealing British jobs, though I honestly don't know how would they know that. No one in that family has ever worked, going back three generations.
 
If they pay minimum wage jobcentre plus will help them fill their vacancies. Without a doubt.
 
@Diabetic_Aspie:

I totally disagree with the premise of your assertion that;

"Any coffee shop etc would hire ANY girl over ANY boy. I don't think that has anything to do with your son's skin colour. It's just how it works, imho."

If I were the coffee shop manager and many sole traders I know would simply employ based in meritocracy, not gender or race or sexual orientation, age or any other discriminatory criteria....

This includes, but is not limited to, who presents the best, is the most motivated, can engage a customer with warmth, will turn up on time, work hard, displaying respect to customers and colleagues alike etc... This could be a female or male, any race, age etc.



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ickihun said:
If they pay minimum wage jobcentre plus will help them fill their vacancies. Without a doubt.
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I'm of the opposite opinion. It's quite hard work (I did it as a student) and many of those out of work simply don't want to do it. Why would they not be receiving applicants from the UK when paying minimum wage already?


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Agreed

In my working life, I have generally found women to be better at the same jobs than men.
Better at planning and better at execution.
They often lack some self confidence, which I really don't understand.
 

They don't advertise the jobs in the UK. They use agencies who recruit in Eastern Europe en masse, then the agency takes a "cut" and the actual foreign labourers get LESS than the minimum wage, even though the employer APPEARS to be offering minimum wage. Foreign workers are then more "flexible" or pliable because they can't afford to walk out.

The Economist did a good video report on this. They looked particularly at Boston in Lincolnshire (where my parents lived, I know it well) because it's probably the main agricultural area in the UK.

I'm a Remain, but I'm not a head-in-the-sand Remain. People have real grievances. Time to take a look at them. Not everybody has the capacity to go to uni, but everyone should have the right to decent work SND decent pay.


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tim2000s said:
The majority of Poles didn't have the right to vote in the referendum though...


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I was also astonished by yesterday's revelation in the Andrew Marr show that 62% of 18-30s did vote in the referendum, not the paltry 30%ish that had been reported anecdotally.

So a little lower than the 72% average total
turn out, but significantly more than many of us gave them credit for

To my mind adds more weight and credibility to the Leave camp...and that's from a Remain voter!


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Yes that's true. I've witnessed that myself and it was very unpleasant. My family and I were queuing for bowling on holiday a few years back. The Polish assistant ignored a black family in front of us and came straight to us. Not understanding why she did this, I said that the other family were here first. It wasn't until I saw how rude the assistant was to the family before us and how nice she was to my family that I realised it was racism. I was shocked I hadn't witnessed that since the 70s in Paris where there were still whites only bars.

Oh and yes, I did complain to the manager.
 
hankjam said:
Agreed

In my working life, I have generally found women to be better at the same jobs than men.
Better at planning and better at execution.
They often lack some self confidence, which I really don't understand.
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Both things (planning/execution and lack of self confidence) contribute to being more conscientious.
If you are not confident about what you are doing, you take more care and pay more attention.

Of course these are sweeping generalisations.

I have also noticed that many women are less likely to speak up when they need to, and are less likely to fight their corner - even when they KNOW they are right.
 
hankjam said:
Leadsom quits race to be Tory Leader / PM....

Interesting times.... @KevinPotts
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Indeed, as we thought an easy walk into 10 Downing Street for May

Getting to the nits and grits of "BREXIT means BREXIT" will be the next focus, but I think the Leavers may accept a compromised exit of the sort I have repeatedly outlined in view of the mass e economic and political instability, so social unrest may not be on the agenda, thank God


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