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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

linnyb said:
Many of us have that type of back ground & like yourself my husband & I have worked hard & done without to provide for our family. As have thousands of working class people, whom are now having to rely on food banks as there wages won't go far enough to feed there families (because it is the working families that are having to use them). I don't consider that acceptable for a developed country. Unfortunately hard work & careful spending isn't always enough! It doesn't mean people don't try & deserve to be suffering. No silver spoon here, just hard work + empathy.
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I don't consider it acceptable either! I have empathy too, that's why I donate to the food bank every time I'm in the supermarket. I just don't see how making the country poorer by leaving the EU and increasing the national debt is going to help those people. It may well make the rich less rich, but how does that help? Sorry I just don't get it. All the experts warned we would be worse off and you are telling me that's what the poor wanted?
 
Galja said:
I guess you could say my own history is a harsher version of your own but my social and political attitudes as a result are a world away. Just saying. I think that everyone on earth should have the best healthcare with the best research backing that can be hobbled together and consistently improved. I think everyone should be supported emotionally and physically to have the dignity of work. I think no one should have to struggle to be clothed or fed, and no one should have to endure being abused or bullied to restrict their own thoughts, be physically abused or not be able to choose their own belief or lack of belief systems. I think children (and that has no age component but rather a vulnerability quotient) should be considered a sacred trust. I think that love is inherent to the human condition and should be nurtured rather than depressed. Lastly, I really believe that all individuals are made in the image and likeness of God and can attain theosis (becoming God themselves) so there is no such thing as a person more worthy of anything than another nor no such thing as a person unworthy, partially or wholly because God does not make junk, a waste of time and potential.

I don't get offended by any kind of diversity, much less diversity of thought and expression, rather I get offended by repression and violence and lack of caring, none of which you exhibit. Just wrote this so you can understand where I'm, coming from, sister. I rather think that dspite your conclusions about politics, we are very much alike.
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Yes I think we are. I agree 100% with what you have said (in respect of the non-religious aspects).
 
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zand said:
I don't consider it acceptable either! I have empathy too, that's why I donate to the food bank every time I'm in the supermarket. I just don't see how making the country poorer by leaving the EU and increasing the national debt is going to help those people. It may well make the rich less rich, but how does that help? Sorry I just don't get it. All the experts warned we would be worse off and you are telling me that's what the poor wanted?
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This is a bit double edged.
I'm a similar background.
But I've worked, and saved, my entire life.
I've used every advantage I could, I've borrowed when it was advantageous, I've maxed out credit cards and transferred balances for cashback, I bought every share Maggie offered, I opened an account with every building society, I've invested in mutual insurers.
I've invested in the stock market.
But I've worked to pay for it.

I also know people that got the dole, then went down to the pub.
I know people that worked, and bought every new thing they could.
I know people that circumstances forced into poverty, but I know others that clamber to be there, then complain their new tv isn't big enough.

I read your other comment on gambling.
That's basically what investing is. Even saving to a degree, you gamble your interest rate stays higher than inflation.

I make no apology that I've spent my life working hard, saving, and now my gambles seem to have paid off so far. I'm put a lot of my spare time into it, when others where watching the TV, I was reading the FT.
(Now it's easier online)
I've spent the last week, watching world markets for the best part of 20 hours a day.

So, the perception of 'fair', applies to the poor as well, and sometimes it's difficult to decide the best way to help, particularly to those that believe in something for nothing, and bought the empty promises leave gave them.
 
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zand said:
I don't consider it acceptable either! I have empathy too, that's why I donate to the food bank every time I'm in the supermarket. I just don't see how making the country poorer by leaving the EU and increasing the national debt is going to help those people. It may well make the rich less rich, but how does that help? Sorry I just don't get it. All the experts warned we would be worse off and you are telling me that's what the poor wanted?
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Its all about what we believe. You may believe we are better in, I may believe the opposite, that is both of our rights. At this moment in time, what ever experts say, nobody really knows how things will look in 5 years time, a lot will depend on how the act of leaving is dealt with, there were many lies told & much scare mongering undertaken during the lead up to the vote by both sides which was completely unhelpful. I also think the government could have avoided a referendum by taking notice of the growing discontent in the country & acting. I personally hope that we will find ourselves in a stronger position as an independent country which is much more united in its aim to succeed than we are now & maybe this is the hope of others too (I'm only guessing as I can't speak for all). None of us can see into the future, but are seeking & hoping for a better future for our families, but I think that is what we all desire, regardless of which way any of us has voted. I hope that will help you understand why I feel the way I do. I thank you for your replies & accept I have a better understanding of your beliefs. It's just we have different opinions on how to get to were we want to be. I hope for us all that things do get better:)
 
SunnyExpat said:
This is a bit double edged.
I'm a similar background.
But I've worked, and saved, my entire life.
I've used every advantage I could, I've borrowed when it was advantageous, I've maxed out credit cards and transferred balances for cashback, I bought every share Maggie offered, I opened an account with every building society, I've invested in mutual insurers.
I've invested in the stock market.
But I've worked to pay for it.

I also know people that got the dole, then went down to the pub.
I know people that worked, and bought every new thing they could.
I know people that circumstances forced into poverty, but I know others that clamber to be there, then complain their new tv isn't big enough.

I read your other comment on gambling.
That's basically what investing is. Even saving to a degree, you gamble your interest rate stays higher than inflation.

I make no apology that I've spent my life working hard, saving, and now my gambles seem to have paid off so far. I'm put a lot of my spare time into it, when others where watching the TV, I was reading the FT.
(Now it's easier online)
I've spent the last week, watching world markets for the best part of 20 hours a day.

So, the perception of 'fair', applies to the poor as well, and sometimes it's difficult to decide the best way to help, particularly to those that believe in something for nothing, and bought the empty promises leave gave them.
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Yeh, I agree with what you're saying, but I'd be lynched if I said half of that on here.
 
Galja said:
I guess you could say my own history is a harsher version of your own but my social and political attitudes as a result are a world away.
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I'm not sure where you think I stand politically? I voted labour (socialist) in several general elections. (our labour MP was the best MP we ever had) then I realised that New Labour were more Conservative than the Conservative party and switched back. From now on I'll vote green because the environment is the one thing that really matters to all of us.
 
zand said:
I'm not sure where you think I stand politically? I voted labour (socialist) in several general elections. (our labour MP was the best MP we ever had) then I realised that New Labour were more Conservative than the Conservative party and switched back. From now on I'll vote green because the environment is the one thing that really matters to all of us.
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It's even more ironic they're now too socialist for themselves.
 
Some do not know what it is like being poor. When my eldest went to medical school most of the students had gone to private schools on her course but she went through the comprehensive system. As a class they visited the back to backs in Leeds to see the living conditions of the poor. She was amazed by the rich kids attitudes... Why do people live like this? they asked!! It was obvious why to my daughter, it was because these people were poor!


I like the idea of someone like Crabb becoming PM I think it is a way of getting caring compassionate Conservative views to the fore! These public school types have not experienced living in working class condition. D.
 
lindisfel said:
Some do not know what it is like being poor. When my eldest went to medical school most of the students had gone to private schools on her course but she went through the comprehensive system. As a class they visited the back to backs in Leeds to see the living conditions of the poor. She was amazed by the rich kids attitudes... Why do people live like this? they asked!! It was obvious why to my daughter, it was because these people were poor!


I like the idea of someone like Crabb becoming PM I think it is a way of getting caring compassionate Conservative views to the fore! These public school types have not experienced living in working class condition. D.
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Thatcher?
Lived over her dad's shop as a kid.
 
lindisfel said:
Some do not know what it is like being poor. When my eldest went to medical school most of the students had gone to private schools on her course but she went through the comprehensive system. As a class they visited the back to backs in Leeds to see the living conditions of the poor. She was amazed by the rich kids attitudes... Why do people live like this? they asked!! It was obvious why to my daughter, it was because these people were poor!


I like the idea of someone like Crabb becoming PM I think it is a way of getting caring compassionate Conservative views to the fore! These public school types have not experienced living in working class condition. D.
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"caring compassionate Conservative" is an oxymoron

Sadly the concept of Tory One Nation is a myth put out by the Tories.

We are not, never have been and never will be "in this together".
 
Your the kind of guy Hank who cannot see your opponents point of view. If you were rich you would likely be a Conservative !! :) :) D.
hankjam said:
"caring compassionate Conservative" is an oxymoron

Sadly the concept of Tory One Nation is a myth put out by the Tories.

We are not, never have been and never will be "in this together".
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lindisfel said:
Your the kind of guy Hank who cannot see your opponents point of view. If you were rich you would likely be a Conservative !! :) :) D.
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I would agree with the first bit coz simply, they would be wrong.
The second bit is a bit harsh. I tend to vote Green as the others are just plain bonkers... but that could be just me.
 
hankjam said:
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who voted leave, not I!
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Gove- your link.

Setting out his Brexit plan, Mr Gove said he would not trigger Article 50 - the formal process for leaving the EU - until he was ready to do so.
"The decision to trigger Article 50 is in the hands of the next prime minister. If that is me, I will make a judgement as to when is right for Britain and I won't be hurried or hassled by anyone into pressing that button or triggering that article until I believe it is right for this country," he said.
 
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