What have you eaten today? (Low carb forum)

maglil55 · Aug 16, 2023

Wednesday 16 August - bed 7.2 FBG 6.7. Schools are back, and I managed with the aid of 2 crutches to get about. I also gave up and got an appointment with the GP for 1.5 hrs after I called. Story is on the chatty thread. I should add I also have athletes foot on the right foot and, for good measure, one fungal nail!! I'm glad I went though.

B. Just TAG and Benecol dairy free.

L. Very late! A bit of crustless quiche so I could take antibiotic.

D. Still having issues moving about so all cold. A bit smoked trout, prawns, cheese triangle, lettuce, tomatoes, 2 slices of SRSLY bread with Benecol spread. CC little chocolate pot.

Lots of water.

jomar_uk · Aug 16, 2023

shelley262 said:
@JenniferM55 hope your carb reduction today pays off

Hi @jomar_uk welcome to this low carb thread. I didn't know what ensure was but just checked it out think it's 47g of carbs for a small pot? With the mashed potatoes that would have been quite a few carbs in one go for your body to deal with.
Presume you are taking ensure to add particular nutrition quickly but wonder if a different lower carb way of doing it? Maybe supplements? Are you trying to gain weight and to improve another condition as well as reducing sugar? If you need more fat to fill you and gain weight think about introducing more ways with your food e.g. Keeping the skins on your chicken thighs cooking them in olive oil and serving in a butter and cream sauce?
Testing is best two hours after eating wonder if it was higher then! Potatoes generally but especially mashed often cause rises for many. I can eat a couple of small new potatoes if they have been cooked in advance, chilled and frozen and then cooked from frozen in olive oil otherwise they are out for me.

The Ensure us a special dietary drink for my crohns. I've lost just under 7 Stones since my loss last year. Couple with a crohns flare-up was pumped with steroids (normal treatment for flares) developed steroids induced diabetes
Complicated a tad more by strictures in my small bowel. .
I just want to get a program to stick to (I gave 2 diets, 1 for crohns & 1 for T2 sadly a lot if them "ckash")

I'm on metformin 500mg BD and givlazide 80mg once after breakfast.

I've printed out all the medications etc and laminated it for all my meds (it's double sided A4

Appreciate your help, just need the confidence & advice to get through this.

Thank you, John

jomar_uk · Aug 16, 2023

maglil55 said:
Welcome @jomar_uk. I agree with @shelley262. I had no idea what Ensure Plus is, but I see hospitals use it for building you up after illness. 22g sugars, and 48g carbs in one drink? As @shelley262 said, mashed potato would be a big contributing factor too. Was your jelly sugar free? I know that these 3 things would have had my BGs shooting up.

There are alternatives if you like them. Cauliflower and celeriac are very versatile. I've made mash from both. Celeriac, you can pretty much treat the same as potatoes, in that almost anything you can make with a potato you can also make with celeriac. They are a lot lower in carbs as well. Your morning reading was great BTW.

There are loads of low carb websites. Diet Doctor is a good one. There is a free section as well as the paying section.

Appreciate your response ty!
I'm on Ensure Plus for life so to speak now. When I'm "built up" the plan is to take all the affected bowel away.

I'll try your suggestion ty, the potato is on my "crohns duet list of ok" hence the confusion and why ive asked both teams at hospital to work a compatible list of food items I can eat. They just want me to put my weight back on
I'm on 5 Ensure Plus a day with food now, I came off my "liquid only diet" 3 weeks ago which was 8 Ensure Plus a day + 2-3 litres of water sipped ocee the day.

So any food us wonderful )

I'm sure with help on here also there will be a firnat/plan I can follow safely that will both build me up & keep my blood sugar levels down.

Kind regards, John

Annb · Aug 16, 2023

jomar_uk said:
The Ensure us a special dietary drink for my crohns. I've lost just under 7 Stones since my loss last year. Couple with a crohns flare-up was pumped with steroids (normal treatment for flares) developed steroids induced diabetes
Complicated a tad more by strictures in my small bowel. .
I just want to get a program to stick to (I gave 2 diets, 1 for crohns & 1 for T2 sadly a lot if them "ckash")

I'm on metformin 500mg BD and givlazide 80mg once after breakfast.

I've printed out all the medications etc and laminated it for all my meds (it's double sided A4

Appreciate your help, just need the confidence & advice to get through this.

Thank you, John

Oh dear. I do so sympathise with you. My son has had crohns for a number of years and, luckily has managed to avoid medication or surgery all these years despite some episodes of severe inflammation. He self treats with diet alone and uses codeine and parcetemol to control pain. In the last year or 2 he has had steroid treatment for sarcoidosis and that rather upset things, including his blood pressure but the sarcoidosis came under control and he has lost some weight and fat on his abdomen when he slowly withdrew the steroid and is in the process of reducing the blood pressure medication. He was told he should go onto medication years ago but refused, preferring to work it out for himself and, it has to be said, doctors in Glasgow were surprised at the high level of inflammation which he managed to get through with no damage. He also has many allergies and food intolerances which, I suspect, may have helped him by avoiding food which might have exaccerbated his crohns.

His case is clearly in no way as serious as yours and for that I am very grateful. I think you are quite right, though, to try to figure out a diet that will support your health and not make it any worse. Is there anyone you have access to who knows about medicines and diet who could help you to work something out? Maybe someone who is familiar with low carb?

One thought - it seems that some of the carbohydrate in potato is turned to cellulose by freezing, so it is actually lower carb than unfrozen, cellulose being a fibre. Whether that would be good or bad for your crohns, I'm not sure, but it would be helpful in diabetic terms. My other son told me today that something similar happens to porridge oats when porridge is made, allowed to go cold and then reheated in some way. I don't know if that included baked oats or is just when cooked in liquid.

It sounds as though working out a diet might be a complicated process so I wish you well.

CathyN · Aug 16, 2023

shelley262 said:
@CathyN welcome to this low carb thread are you testing to check impact of your meals to work out the level of carbs that suit your blood glucose levels and the type of food you can tolerate? Unfortunately I can't include oat base products apart from oat fibre.
Today's food black coffee until
1ish hm hummus stick of celery, two garden plum tomatoes and two radishes and kimchi with a bit of soft blue cheese then a few berries with yoghurt and two squares of 100% chocolate
5ish sea bass with garden green beans and cauliflower cheese with glass of dry white wine followed by a low carb brownie.

Yes - I have always used a meter. I’m lucky in that I can tolerate oats. 25g of oats is my limit at one go - which makes a good bowl of porridge. Bread is an absolute no go.

jomar_uk · Aug 16, 2023

Annb said:
Oh dear. I do so sympathise with you. My son has had crohns for a number of years and, luckily has managed to avoid medication or surgery all these years despite some episodes of severe inflammation. He self treats with diet alone and uses codeine and parcetemol to control pain. In the last year or 2 he has had steroid treatment for sarcoidosis and that rather upset things, including his blood pressure but the sarcoidosis came under control and he has lost some weight and fat on his abdomen when he slowly withdrew the steroid and is in the process of reducing the blood pressure medication. He was told he should go onto medication years ago but refused, preferring to work it out for himself and, it has to be said, doctors in Glasgow were surprised at the high level of inflammation which he managed to get through with no damage. He also has many allergies and food intolerances which, I suspect, may have helped him by avoiding food which might have exaccerbated his crohns.

His case is clearly in no way as serious as yours and for that I am very grateful. I think you are quite right, though, to try to figure out a diet that will support your health and not make it any worse. Is there anyone you have access to who knows about medicines and diet who could help you to work something out? Maybe someone who is familiar with low carb?

One thought - it seems that some of the carbohydrate in potato is turned to cellulose by freezing, so it is actually lower carb than unfrozen, cellulose being a fibre. Whether that would be good or bad for your crohns, I'm not sure, but it would be helpful in diabetic terms. My other son told me today that something similar happens to porridge oats when porridge is made, allowed to go cold and then reheated in some way. I don't know if that included baked oats or is just when cooked in liquid.

It sounds as though working out a diet might be a complicated process so I wish you well.

Ty for your response.
I truly wish your son well!

Kind regards, John

jomar_uk · Aug 16, 2023

CathyN said:
Yes - I have always used a meter. I’m lucky in that I can tolerate oats. 25g of oats is my limit at one go - which makes a good bowl of porridge. Bread is an absolute no go.

Ty i love porridge & honey. Unfortunately both not allowed on the crohns diet sheet.

White bread is OK for the crohns but not wholemeal (I'm on a low fibre residual diet fir the crohns(.

I must say the response & support in here is amazing, thank you all so much

Kind regards John *and marian)

jomar_uk · Aug 17, 2023

jomar_uk said:
Ty for your response.
I truly wish your son well!

Kind regards, John

I’ve just reread your post and originally missed about oats being reheated. I will ask my CNS if just trying it a couple of times would be ok.

Is your son having the normal examinations for his Crohns? Ie CT, MRI scans as Crohns can be measured to an extent by other tests also.
To get this far he has done extremely well. Is it can detect *if* the inflamed area has become scar tissue & not just inflammation etc..

Crohn’s attacks anywhere from where waste leaves us to the throat, it isn’t just the stomach. It isn’t curable *yet* but with medication and possible surgery you can live a fairly reasonable life. It’s challenging at times but good support is so vital as in all diseases.

Kind regards, john

Ps the only site my consultant recommends is Crohns & colitis Uk (apologies if posting url’s not allowed please feel free to delete reference).

Annb · Aug 17, 2023

jomar_uk said:
I’ve just reread your post and originally missed about oats being reheated. I will ask my CNS if just trying it a couple of times would be ok.

Is your son having the normal examinations for his Crohns? Ie CT, MRI scans as Crohns can be measured to an extent by other tests also.
To get this far he has done extremely well. Is it can detect *if* the inflamed area has become scar tissue & not just inflammation etc..

Crohn’s attacks anywhere from where waste leaves us to the throat, it isn’t just the stomach. It isn’t curable *yet* but with medication and possible surgery you can live a fairly reasonable life. It’s challenging at times but good support is so vital as in all diseases.

Kind regards, john

Ps the only site my consultant recommends is Crohns & colitis Uk (apologies if posting url’s not allowed please feel free to delete reference).

When he was diagnosed with crohn's, about 30 years ago, Neil had long discussions with the specialists in Glasgow about medication and self treating with diet and had so many tests of all sorts done. After a few checkups, the consultants agreed that his results were far better than they would have expected had he followed their regime. He does have the occasional lapse when the inflammation is obviously getting bad. It usually lasts about a week during which time he eats tinned mackerel or sardines in brine or water and, for some obscure reason, that seems to help. Normally he doesn't eat animal or fish - they affect his allergies - but these oily fish do seem to have some benefit. He frequently tries new foods to see if he can tolerate them and has found that mushrooms and beansprouts are OK in moderation (mushrooms about once a week, beansprouts about once a month). Normally, as you say, low fibre is the way to go for him - I didn't realise that even soft white flour has different amounts of fibre depending on the brand, so we have to look for the lowest one we can find. He makes his own soya milk but does buy Alpro soya yoghurt. He finds he can also tolerate Lactofree cheddar cheese but none of their other products. Olive oil is fine for him but for a spread for his home made bread we have to send to the mainland to get one that is soya based but with no other oils or other (for him) allergens. Another thing he can eat, in moderation, is peanut butter - the smooth variety but not the one with bits of peanut in. It's a minefield and he doesn't have diabetes to take into account.

Why his digestive tract is not scarred is a mystery to me and, I think to the doctors. He is due his next appointment with the consultant in September so we shall see what they think then.

I only have diabetes to contend with and compared to your issues, the solution is relatively simple. Cut out starchy carbs as far as possible and stick to non carby veg as far as possible. This is leading to reduced insulin requirement and reduced weight (which is a major problem for me).

Annb · Aug 17, 2023

The last few days I've been existing on little food and lots of painkillers and the result is, I've lost 6lbs this week. Probably put some of it back on next week. I am going to eat as normally as I can from now on but that all depends on these feet of mine!

Breakfast is going to be blackberries and yoghurt.

2nd meal will be chicken wings, if Neil can get them today, if not I'll get him to get whatever kind of chicken he can and I'll do something with it.

Em will come in this afternoon on her way home from school. We have a date to make pancakes using the new gadget she gave me for my birthday. I will make the batter and she will make the pancakes.

PenguinMum · Aug 17, 2023

Hi All
Had a lovely day out at Hever Castle to celebrate friend’s birthday. I packed a picnic for the three of us including sandwiches, crisps, strawberries and water (I just had rollitos and strawberries) then mid afternoon tea and cake (I had one of my LC lemon muffins). However I did give in to a scoop of coffee ice cream to join in with the others Btw the grounds were stunning and we found a good picnic spot in shade overlooking the lake twice but we had to quickly abandon the tour of the castle due to the volume of people in a very small space.
Supper back home was baked spiced chicken breast with green veg.
@jomar_uk your unenviable task of balancing an eating regime for Crohns and Diabetes must be a constant dilemma. As you may know a lot of NHS nutritionists and dieticians are not in the loop about LC not just sugar being unhelpful for D. I understand you must eat to your Crohns but if they could work out a plan as LC as possible that would help. I wish you well.
@Annb and @maglil55 sending gentles hugs for the pain and mobility issues.

Annb · Aug 17, 2023

Annb said:
When he was diagnosed with crohn's, about 30 years ago, Neil had long discussions with the specialists in Glasgow about medication and self treating with diet and had so many tests of all sorts done. After a few checkups, the consultants agreed that his results were far better than they would have expected had he followed their regime. He does have the occasional lapse when the inflammation is obviously getting bad. It usually lasts about a week during which time he eats tinned mackerel or sardines in brine or water and, for some obscure reason, that seems to help. Normally he doesn't eat animal or fish - they affect his allergies - but these oily fish do seem to have some benefit. He frequently tries new foods to see if he can tolerate them and has found that mushrooms and beansprouts are OK in moderation (mushrooms about once a week, beansprouts about once a month). Normally, as you say, low fibre is the way to go for him - I didn't realise that even soft white flour has different amounts of fibre depending on the brand, so we have to look for the lowest one we can find. He makes his own soya milk but does buy Alpro soya yoghurt. He finds he can also tolerate Lactofree cheddar cheese but none of their other products. Olive oil is fine for him but for a spread for his home made bread we have to send to the mainland to get one that is soya based but with no other oils or other (for him) allergens. Another thing he can eat, in moderation, is peanut butter - the smooth variety but not the one with bits of peanut in. It's a minefield and he doesn't have diabetes to take into account.

Why his digestive tract is not scarred is a mystery to me and, I think to the doctors. He is due his next appointment with the consultant in September so we shall see what they think then.

I only have diabetes to contend with and compared to your issues, the solution is relatively simple. Cut out starchy carbs as far as possible and stick to non carby veg as far as possible. This is leading to reduced insulin requirement and reduced weight (which is a major problem for me).

I just realised that I made a mistake when I said Neil uses soft white flour - he uses strong white flour, still with the least possible fibre though.

Robbity · Aug 17, 2023

Maybe a bit belated, but regarding cheese crisps, I generally use grated parmesan, sometimes with a bit flax/linseed added in. The little heaps sit on a piece of round greaseproof paper, get squashed flat and then microwaved on a high setting. They end up lacey and quite crispy.

Mallyman · Aug 17, 2023

Home made Protein Rolls. Same recipe as the bread, less the eggs but a tablespoon of Psyllium and with Puffed Quinoa. 2 Rolls, 2 Hard boiled eggs, butter and a squirt of Mayo. These rolls will last about a week in the fridge. Just take one or 2 out and toast them.

Antje77 · Aug 17, 2023

Not low carb at all, but so far I've had 4 plums.
All for science of course: https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/plums.198458/#post-2630564

If someone ever shows you a paper saying that plums don't make your BG spike and that they can even help drop it, I wouldn't believe them.
Back on the straight and narrow now, plums will be considered something to treat a hypo with in the future.

Margarettt · Aug 17, 2023

Hiya. This is my 3rd day low carb so I'm very new. Please feel free to make corrections.

Breakfast-- 2 cups of tea with almond milk (1c) 30g romaine lettuce (1c) 2 eggs scrambled (1c) 60g smoked salmon trimmings (2c)
Lunch- tea with almond milk (0.5) 2 fried chicken thighs (0c) 1 large mushroom(1.5c) half bag of cauliflour rice (4c) mayo (0.5c) small apricot (3c)
Dinner-- 80g spiral courgette (2.5c) 6 meatballs (2.5c) quarter tin chopped tomatoes (1c) 30g cheese (0.5c)

I total that at about 21carbs.

Mallyman · Aug 17, 2023

Robbity said:
Maybe a bit belated, but regarding cheese crisps, I generally use grated parmesan, sometimes with a bit flax/linseed added in. The little heaps sit on a piece of round greaseproof paper, get squashed flat and then microwaved on a high setting. They end up lacey and quite crispy.

Now try them with avacado. Mash it and then add the cheese. A little softer in the middle but mega with some salsa.

maglil55 · Aug 17, 2023

Antje77 said:
Not low carb at all, but so far I've had 4 plums.
All for science of course: https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/plums.198458/#post-2630564

If someone ever shows you a paper saying that plums don't make your BG spike and that they can even help drop it, I wouldn't believe them.
Back on the straight and narrow now, plums will be considered something to treat a hypo with in the future.

My love (which I have to avoid as I'd eat loads of them) are figs. I adore them. I could never stop at just one.
I used to be rather fond of plums too.

maglil55 · Aug 17, 2023

Mallyman said:
Home made Protein Rolls. Same recipe as the bread, less the eggs but a tablespoon of Psyllium and with Puffed Quinoa. 2 Rolls, 2 Hard boiled eggs, butter and a squirt of Mayo. These rolls will last about a week in the fridge. Just take one or 2 out and toast them. View attachment 62710

That's an excellent looking roll. I remember my early efforts. I'd get a nice crisp exterior, but cut them open, and they were hollow! Ahh, memories of early baking days.

Mallyman · Aug 17, 2023

maglil55 said:
My love (which I have to avoid as I'd eat loads of them) are figs. I adore them. I could never stop at just one.
I used to be rather fond of plums too.

I had a nice bowl of Raspberries and Blueberries today. Lovely.

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