What was your fasting blood glucose? (full on chat)

Annb · Jan 12, 2024

Annb said:
5.9 at 0345 today. This all seems to be the result of being mostly carnivore at the moment. It all came right very quickly, I have to say. Of course, it may not last once I put some small amount of carbs back in to the diet. It may not even last long without the carbs - my system seems to be so unreliable, but I do what I can and hope for the best. If it does stay low, and I ever get to see my diabetes nurse again, she'll not be happy with me because she'll think it's too low for an old biddy like me! Do I care what she thinks?

Once upon a time we had some good family doctors. Old school, but determined to get to the answer to a health problem on our behalf. There are still one or two around but overworked and burned out before retirement date. Some more modern doctors and nurses have been taught and, despite experience, seem to think that "one size fits all". The individual in front of them doesn't seem to have a personality or an opinion. You have to have a strong personality and be very confident to have your own particular needs recognised. Here, in the Western Isles, we have, at a guess, 4 to 6 good GPs, but you never get to see them. The only ones available seem to be inexperienced or not very good ones. Other staff stick to the long-held theories of medicine that they learned at college. Not all - of course - but most.

When I went to Inverness to check the lump in my breast (benign, as it happened) one of the doctors I had to see was told I was a frail elderly lady and exclaimed in surprise when she actually saw me. I guess, at 77, as I then was, we''re all assumed to be in the same frail state. So, I wonder why the diabetes nurse reckons that someone my age shouldn't be aiming at a BG within the expected range. She didn't explain that (except that, at my age, I might not notice that my BG was falling too low). So, I do my best to plough my own furrow. Unless someone can explain to me why I should be less aware of what is happening because of my age, I will continue to do so.

dunelm · Jan 12, 2024

Lamont D said:
Simply beautiful.

Thank you @Lamont D

ianpspurs · Jan 12, 2024

Annb said:
Once upon a time we had some good family doctors. Old school, but determined to get to the answer to a health problem on our behalf. There are still one or two around but overworked and burned out before retirement date. Some more modern doctors and nurses have been taught and, despite experience, seem to think that "one size fits all". The individual in front of them doesn't seem to have a personality or an opinion. You have to have a strong personality and be very confident to have your own particular needs recognised. Here, in the Western Isles, we have, at a guess, 4 to 6 good GPs, but you never get to see them. The only ones available seem to be inexperienced or not very good ones. Other staff stick to the long-held theories of medicine that they learned at college. Not all - of coursalwe - but most.

When I went to Inverness to check the lump in my breast (benign, as it happened) one of the doctors I had to see was told I was a frail elderly lady and exclaimed in surprise when she actually saw me. I guess, at 77, as I then was, we''re all assumed to be in the same frail state. So, I wonder why the diabetes nurse reckons that someone my age shouldn't be aiming at a BG within the expected range. She didn't explain that (except that, at my age, I might not notice that my BG was falling too low). So, I do my best to plough my own furrow. Unless someone can explain to me why I should be less aware of what is happening because of my age, I will continue to do so.

I think you always carefully weigh up the pros and cons of decisions but your DN hasn’t given you the reasons for her advice. However, there is a big difference between data, information and knowledge. Due to the internet people now have access to a vast amount of the first two which previous generations didn’t. That doesn’t equate to having the third. That Situation seems to be a key driver in shaping the modern opinion that previous generations of professionals and leaders were somehow better when objective measures and the historical records of their actions and outcomes don’t support that. Weighing up all the advice and evidence is always good, doggedly ploughing one’s own furrow merely because one has that option is entirely different. To be clear, I reiterate that I think you carefully weigh up the pros and cons but your DN hasn’t given you the reasons for her advice. Optimal bg control may adversely impact other more important factors in some cases so that may affect her advice but that certainly doesn't seem to have been made clear

Lamont D · Jan 12, 2024

Annb said:
Once upon a time we had some good family doctors. Old school, but determined to get to the answer to a health problem on our behalf. There are still one or two around but overworked and burned out before retirement date. Some more modern doctors and nurses have been taught and, despite experience, seem to think that "one size fits all". The individual in front of them doesn't seem to have a personality or an opinion. You have to have a strong personality and be very confident to have your own particular needs recognised. Here, in the Western Isles, we have, at a guess, 4 to 6 good GPs, but you never get to see them. The only ones available seem to be inexperienced or not very good ones. Other staff stick to the long-held theories of medicine that they learned at college. Not all - of course - but most.

When I went to Inverness to check the lump in my breast (benign, as it happened) one of the doctors I had to see was told I was a frail elderly lady and exclaimed in surprise when she actually saw me. I guess, at 77, as I then was, we''re all assumed to be in the same frail state. So, I wonder why the diabetes nurse reckons that someone my age shouldn't be aiming at a BG within the expected range. She didn't explain that (except that, at my age, I might not notice that my BG was falling too low). So, I do my best to plough my own furrow. Unless someone can explain to me why I should be less aware of what is happening because of my age, I will continue to do so.

I'm not as young as you are @Annb but I get it.
As I approach my septuagenarin (had to look that up) era. Not that I feel it or recognise the way I should be.
I still have to assure others, friends that I am that old.
And I'm not in anyway need help or assistance in the majority of daily chores and such.
my faculties are still very good, I answer quiz questions on the television and such. I can still work things out.
Also, being a man, I need to not need help, even if I do. Putting a brave face on pain and failings......
You are as old as you................. As the saying goes or its alternatives!
Don't let them drag you down......But do take it easy!
And don't be shy to tell them either.

Lamont D · Jan 12, 2024

ianpspurs said:
I think you always carefully weigh up the pros and cons of decisions but your DN hasn’t given you the reasons for her advice. However, there is a big difference between data, information and knowledge. Due to the internet people now have access to a vast amount of the first two which previous generations didn’t. That doesn’t equate to having the third. That Situation seems to be a key driver in shaping the modern opinion that previous generations of professionals and leaders were somehow better when objective measures and the historical records of their actions and outcomes don’t support that. Weighing up all the advice and evidence is always good, doggedly ploughing one’s own furrow merely because one has that option is entirely different. To be clear, I reiterate that think you weigh up the pros and cons but your DN hasn’t given you the reasons for her advice. Optimal bg control may adversely impact other more important factors in some cases but that hasn't been made clear.

For over a decade, I followed medical advice and because of the limit of diagnostics to my doctors, I was given a diagnosis of prediabetes then T2. It was by pure accident that I went to my surgery, problem with my T2 meds and prescription, the GP, noticed I was sweating, and thought my BG levels were high, as per T2 symptoms.
I had three fingerprint tests in the next ten minutes, two different packs and washing hands, all three results were under 3mmols.
The doctors, four of them came to have a look, and not one of them could understand what was going on.
So I was referred, once again I was having a hypo in front of my endocrinologist.
After a few tests over the next few months, I was diagnosed as RH. Non diabetic.
If not for that visit to my GP, I would not be here. Because my weight was approaching twenty stone and my metabolism, my organs were not in good shape. I was really ill.
Then, I found out that it was the same recommendations for dietary control as there was no magic pill or cure. Just food.
And with my endos approval to research as much as possible and find answers, one was to come to this site.
Another was researching U.S. University research into hypoglycaemia and related conditions that were food related or other allergic, intolerance to food issues. I have had lactose intolerance since very young.
I found @Brunneria here, who was a godsend to me. She guided my path through the first few months, and along with her, we managed to persuade the powers that be on this forum to set up our own sub forum
It is there, because, there is nothing else out there. And I still can't believe the responses we get from all over the world, to find answers or advice on RH.

The system of primary care for such as mine conditions, only work when referred to a specialist who recognises the symptoms. My first was totally bemused and said T2 and fatty liver due to alcohol, he didn't believe I was teetotal. He was utterly wrong.
The issues of not having these experienced and knowledgeable endocrinologists, the shortage of specialists and the obvious waiting lists that impact on every facet of our lives.
The health system is broke, the country is broke, and a big portion of the people are suffering because of it.
Thanks tories!

I have learned to be resourceful, to question my doctors, to query their conclusions and recommendations. And my first question is always, do you know what hypoglycaemia is, how and why it happens, the triggers, the treatment. And could it be an issue for my other health problems.?

I don't mistrust my doctors, I am aware through experience that most GP,'s would have had as a whole, very limited training in endocrine conditions. The diabetes group of types. Few have it as a specialty,.
I would always advocate knowledge of your condition and never accept without tests, any diagnosis or drugs without a good discussion. Blood panel results can tell you a lot.

ianpspurs · Jan 12, 2024

Lamont D said:
For over a decade, I followed medical advice and because of the limit of diagnostics to my doctors, I was given a diagnosis of prediabetes then T2. It was by pure accident that I went to my surgery, problem with my T2 meds and prescription, the GP, noticed I was sweating, and thought my BG levels were high, as per T2 symptoms.
I had three fingerprint tests in the next ten minutes, two different packs and washing hands, all three results were under 3mmols.
The doctors, four of them came to have a look, and not one of them could understand what was going on.
So I was referred, once again I was having a hypo in front of my endocrinologist.
After a few tests over the next few months, I was diagnosed as RH. Non diabetic.
If not for that visit to my GP, I would not be here. Because my weight was approaching twenty stone and my metabolism, my organs were not in good shape. I was really ill.
Then, I found out that it was the same recommendations for dietary control as there was no magic pill or cure. Just food.
And with my endos approval to research as much as possible and find answers, one was to come to this site.
Another was researching U.S. University research into hypoglycaemia and related conditions that were food related or other allergic, intolerance to food issues. I have had lactose intolerance since very young.
I found @Brunneria here, who was a godsend to me. She guided my path through the first few months, and along with her, we managed to persuade the powers that be on this forum to set up our own sub forum
It is there, because, there is nothing else out there. And I still can't believe the responses we get from all over the world, to find answers or advice on RH.

The system of primary care for such as mine conditions, only work when referred to a specialist who recognises the symptoms. My first was totally bemused and said T2 and fatty liver due to alcohol, he didn't believe I was teetotal. He was utterly wrong.
The issues of not having these experienced and knowledgeable endocrinologists, the shortage of specialists and the obvious waiting lists that impact on every facet of our lives.
The health system is broke, the country is broke, and a big portion of the people are suffering because of it.
Thanks tories!

I have learned to be resourceful, to question my doctors, to query their conclusions and recommendations. And my first question is always, do you know what hypoglycaemia is, how and why it happens, the triggers, the treatment. And could it be an issue for my other health problems.?

I don't mistrust my doctors, I am aware through experience that most GP,'s would have had as a whole, very limited training in endocrine conditions. The diabetes group of types. Few have it as a specialty,.
I would always advocate knowledge of your condition and never accept without tests, any diagnosis or drugs without a good discussion. Blood panel results can tell you a lot.

Yours is a well thought through approach which is a credit to you. Shame you had to do the hard yards but progress/change can take highly motivated individuals who are prepared to dig deep enough to find the evidence/reasons change is needed. You are the opposite of the I know because I heard it on Fox News/read it on Social Media approach. Ideally we'll both chill now - I'll watch Saints beat Bayonne with my water and you'll have some football with a cuppa

alf_Josiah · Jan 12, 2024

Early evening fellow posters and painters.

Blood sugars this morning were 5.6

It’s a funny old world and apparently the ancient Chinese had a curse “ May you live in interesting times “. Mundane sounds blissful to me, me’s and myself.

I don’t “ Do “, politics and religion. I have learnt through bitter experience that if I had followed GP’s and nurses advice I would be dead, long dead. This is because I have very complicated medical conditions. Luckily I have access to hospital consultant level specialists. Rather than a confrontational approach with GP’s and nurses, I just nod my head and ignore them most of the time. I rest my case.

Occupational, things to do, not full blown employment, just projects and house maintenance, where I can carry out these tasks. I have enough to do, which keeps from being under Mrs J’s feet, unfortunately Mrs J has decreed that I construct a wooden model she bought me last year, thankfully an indoor construct. The other projects will have to be constructed outside. Being a sturdy rodent proof vegetable box and young child’s outside play sink.

Hopefully attached is a picture of the wooden model Mrs J has commanded I work on first.

Lamont D · Jan 12, 2024

ianpspurs said:
Yours is a well thought through approach which is a credit to you. Shame you had to do the hard yards but progress/change can take highly motivated individuals who are prepared to dig deep enough to find the evidence/reasons change is needed. You are the opposite of the I know because I heard it on Fox News/read it on Social Media approach. Ideally we'll both chill now - I'll watch Saints beat Bayonne with my water and you'll have some football with a cuppa

I gave you an optimistic but it could have been the rest.
I agree with you up to, I don't participate in most social media. My only online sin is this forum and my footie fix.
without this forum and certain particular posters who are really strangers to a degree, my knowledge and understanding would have been restrictive to my learning the science, without reference to the wider web, my reliance on my GP's and my endocrinologist, would have been fatal. They could only follow the text books, which were obviously out of date and wrong!
The discussions I had with my specialist who diagnosed me with RH, was following the NHS recommendations until I persuaded him that they couldn't be right for me or for anyone with food intolerance that causes hypoglycaemia because of excess overshoot of insulin. I followed my trekkie logic, explored the science and how my body reacted to food by experimenting and recording.
I had to do this, and having a lightbulb moment during my stay in hospital, gave me the answers about my forward thinking about my dietary control.
You simply cannot believe a lot of the advice, and I cringe at some posts and advice they get from some healthcare so called professional.
This is the reason for this forum.
To give our experience. Because for the majority that come on here, what they have been told, doesn't work!

I might give Dundee Utd a look see, as in our footie thread, one of the regulars will be watching. And more than one cuppa.
Enjoy your egg chasing. Ha!

jjraak · Jan 12, 2024

Lamont D said:
To give our experience. Because for the majority that come on here, what they have been told, doesn't work!

I think THAT sums up the entire reason for such a forum as this.

While I takes @ianpspurs point it isn't everyone.

But until the facts, of so many being given duff information, & dictated to about a way that 'doesn't' work for far too many , ends up being the other way around....it behooves us to query exactly what advice IS being given.

Horrid we question what others 'Should' know.

But as I fully believe, those advising are in two groups.

Those who are up to date and current on today's data & ideas re many of the illnesses affecting US...(aka T2D here )

And those who have closed off, because 'they know'.

And for me, that 2nd choices isn't good enough.

I don't shout, I don't scream, I simply nod and realise they do NOT live with 'This' Whatever this IS to each of us.

I wish choice one, WAS the prevailing normal.

Sadly for now, it's not .

Annb · Jan 12, 2024

jjraak said:
I think THAT sums up the entire reason for such a forum as this.

While I takes @ianpspurs point it isn't everyone.

But until the facts, of so many being given duff information, & dictated to about a way that 'doesn't' work for far too many , ends up being the other way around....it behooves us to query exactly what advice IS being given.

Horrid we question what others 'Should' know.

But as I fully believe, those advising are in two groups.

Those who are up to date and current on today's data & ideas re many of the illnesses affecting US...(aka T2D here )

And those who have closed off, because 'they know'.

And for me, that 2nd choices isn't good enough.

I don't shout, I don't scream, I simply nod and realise they do NOT live with 'This' Whatever this IS to each of us.

I wish choice one, WAS the prevailing normal.

Sadly for now, it's not .

You are making me remember an occasion - years ago now, when I had a miscarriage and lost a lot of blood in the process. I had to have a D & C procedure which involves scraping out the residual material in the womb. Because I had lost so much blood, they couldn't give me any kind of anaesthetic and the 22 year old me whimpered quite a lot during the proceedings (not so stoic then as now). A nurse standing by told me to be quiet, "It's not that bad". With her experience as a nurse, she "knew", but she had never had to succumb to the procedure, so what did she know? I knew what I felt and it was ***** painful!

Lamont D · Jan 12, 2024

jjraak said:
I think THAT sums up the entire reason for such a forum as this.

While I takes @ianpspurs point it isn't everyone.

But until the facts, of so many being given duff information, & dictated to about a way that 'doesn't' work for far too many , ends up being the other way around....it behooves us to query exactly what advice IS being given.

Horrid we question what others 'Should' know.

But as I fully believe, those advising are in two groups.

Those who are up to date and current on today's data & ideas re many of the illnesses affecting US...(aka T2D here )

And those who have closed off, because 'they know'.

And for me, that 2nd choices isn't good enough.

I don't shout, I don't scream, I simply nod and realise they do NOT live with 'This' Whatever this IS to each of us.

I wish choice one, WAS the prevailing normal.

Sadly for now, it's not .

My training in industry and then in professional sport, gave me an insight into one particular frame of mind, never except the status quo. Continuous improvement, process change logically, and never assume you are correct or the best. As in life something will upset the norm, knock the best down, and cause you to rethink the method. You never stop learning and be open minded to anything new.
One saying that irks me is the one that people use to be empathetic and sympathetic,......... I know how you feel!
Aarrrggghhhh.

It behooves me. (What a word! ) To say a goodnight wish to you all.

Goodnight.
Sleep tight.
Hope the bedbugs don't bite.

May your God bless you and keep you.

Lamont D · Jan 12, 2024

Annb said:
You are making me remember an occasion - years ago now, when I had a miscarriage and lost a lot of blood in the process. I had to have a D & C procedure which involves scraping out the residual material in the womb. Because I had lost so much blood, they couldn't give me any kind of anaesthetic and the 22 year old me whimpered quite a lot during the proceedings (not so stoic then as now). A nurse standing by told me to be quiet, "It's not that bad". With her experience as a nurse, she "knew", but she had never had to succumb to the procedure, so what did she know? I knew what I felt and it was ***** painful!

Yellow card for the expletive.
Hug for the deserved use of it!

lindisfel · Jan 13, 2024

Tired after lunch yesterday and later.
I tried to talk to someone about the churches sound system.
They have terrible trouble with their sound,
on youtube I know how much bodging their doing from listening to their output.
Its been bad for years but abysmal now. The minister calls it an issue, in my book its two word that starts with a c. and ends with a p!

What do I know, I was workng on the professional kit for this before their grandads were born.

Yet I tell myself I am going back to my old dynamic self.

A very cold dark day here, it will be permanently freezing above 1500 feet.
I got a quick shower and moved one car to be near the other so they could get theirs in on the way to High Blaithwaite.

Marjorie was tired and looking forward to seeing them.
I had crashed physically by eating at 1730.

Aynway they bounched in, in their sixties but kids at play.
Excited.
They brought us both new, kind of anorak tops to wear outside.
The sort of thing a dog walker would have.

I am a big guy but slim, I need an xxl which it was,
and good for birding when I get going again, a suitably old vegetation colour.
Marjorie's was sort of dark maroon.
Just what she wanted and totally unexpected.
They fitted just right.
I shall just have my shirt and a usb block heated waistcoat underneath.

They have decided to go to Keswick tomorrow, if the clouds break it will be at its best.

I was shattered after eating, couldnt keep awake and went to bed at 8 pm.
I just woke before 2 am able to put thoughts together again.
D.

lindisfel · Jan 13, 2024

Woke up at five, ok now, had 8 hours sleep.
I hope you all are blessed today, and your families.
D.

gennepher · Jan 13, 2024

Annb said:
You are making me remember an occasion - years ago now, when I had a miscarriage and lost a lot of blood in the process. I had to have a D & C procedure which involves scraping out the residual material in the womb. Because I had lost so much blood, they couldn't give me any kind of anaesthetic and the 22 year old me whimpered quite a lot during the proceedings (not so stoic then as now). A nurse standing by told me to be quiet, "It's not that bad". With her experience as a nurse, she "knew", but she had never had to succumb to the procedure, so what did she know? I knew what I felt and it was ***** painful!

Blimey @Annb I had anaesthetic for my D&C procedure.
Some nurses are incredibly insensitive...
Hugs for you.

gennepher · Jan 13, 2024

Fbg 6.3

Wildlife nighttime camera
Did Jade catch her mouse?
53secs

Creative .... a digital painting using Procreate and Sketch Club...

Time for a cuppa and a nap...

Have your best day...

dunelm · Jan 13, 2024

alf_Josiah said:
Early evening fellow posters and painters.

Blood sugars this morning were 5.6

It’s a funny old world and apparently the ancient Chinese had a curse “ May you live in interesting times “. Mundane sounds blissful to me, me’s and myself.

I don’t “ Do “, politics and religion. I have learnt through bitter experience that if I had followed GP’s and nurses advice I would be dead, long dead. This is because I have very complicated medical conditions. Luckily I have access to hospital consultant level specialists. Rather than a confrontational approach with GP’s and nurses, I just nod my head and ignore them most of the time. I rest my case.

Occupational, things to do, not full blown employment, just projects and house maintenance, where I can carry out these tasks. I have enough to do, which keeps from being under Mrs J’s feet, unfortunately Mrs J has decreed that I construct a wooden model she bought me last year, thankfully an indoor construct. The other projects will have to be constructed outside. Being a sturdy rodent proof vegetable box and young child’s outside play sink.

Hopefully attached is a picture of the wooden model Mrs J has commanded I work on first.View attachment 65487

That will certainly keep you busy for a good while - will we see it in operation once completed?

lindisfel · Jan 13, 2024

Lamont D said:
For over a decade, I followed medical advice and because of the limit of diagnostics to my doctors, I was given a diagnosis of prediabetes then T2. It was by pure accident that I went to my surgery, problem with my T2 meds and prescription, the GP, noticed I was sweating, and thought my BG levels were high, as per T2 symptoms.
I had three fingerprint tests in the next ten minutes, two different packs and washing hands, all three results were under 3mmols.
The doctors, four of them came to have a look, and not one of them could understand what was going on.
So I was referred, once again I was having a hypo in front of my endocrinologist.
After a few tests over the next few months, I was diagnosed as RH. Non diabetic.
If not for that visit to my GP, I would not be here. Because my weight was approaching twenty stone and my metabolism, my organs were not in good shape. I was really ill.
Then, I found out that it was the same recommendations for dietary control as there was no magic pill or cure. Just food.
And with my endos approval to research as much as possible and find answers, one was to come to this site.
Another was researching U.S. University research into hypoglycaemia and related conditions that were food related or other allergic, intolerance to food issues. I have had lactose intolerance since very young.
I found @Brunneria here, who was a godsend to me. She guided my path through the first few months, and along with her, we managed to persuade the powers that be on this forum to set up our own sub forum
It is there, because, there is nothing else out there. And I still can't believe the responses we get from all over the world, to find answers or advice on RH.

The system of primary care for such as mine conditions, only work when referred to a specialist who recognises the symptoms. My first was totally bemused and said T2 and fatty liver due to alcohol, he didn't believe I was teetotal. He was utterly wrong.
The issues of not having these experienced and knowledgeable endocrinologists, the shortage of specialists and the obvious waiting lists that impact on every facet of our lives.
The health system is broke, the country is broke, and a big portion of the people are suffering because of it.
Thanks tories!

I have learned to be resourceful, to question my doctors, to query their conclusions and recommendations. And my first question is always, do you know what hypoglycaemia is, how and why it happens, the triggers, the treatment. And could it be an issue for my other health problems.?

I don't mistrust my doctors, I am aware through experience that most GP,'s would have had as a whole, very limited training in endocrine conditions. The diabetes group of types. Few have it as a specialty,.
I would always advocate knowledge of your condition and never accept without tests, any diagnosis or drugs without a good discussion. Blood panel results can tell you a lot.

Yes Nosher she was top grade, but,she didnt like one of my posts about their constripted race who a veteran told me behaved when he was captured put in Changy and was put to work on 'the railway'.(He respected the Japanese. )
not the words he used in his non woke world.

It was the conscripted race in particular who pushed men in the back off bridges he commented on. One should be careful wokism dosnt make truth a casulty of what is vogue.
He was my manual assistant , he felt he could let it all out to me as a 21 year old electrician when we worked in the retort house.
I have come to realise I was priivileged to hear his testimony.
Derek

dunelm · Jan 13, 2024

gennepher said:
Fbg 6.3

Wildlife nighttime camera
Did Jade catch her mouse?
53secs

Creative .... a digital painting using Procreate and Sketch Club...

Time for a cuppa and a nap...

Have your best day...

View attachment 65499

Smashing piece - wandering while lying down in search of the three spirit mountains.

jjraak · Jan 13, 2024

gennepher said:
Fbg 6.3

Wildlife nighttime camera
Did Jade catch her mouse?
53secs

Creative .... a digital painting using Procreate and Sketch Club...

Time for a cuppa and a nap...

Have your best day...

View attachment 65499

Judging by the look to camera after, I'd say YES

Badgers really got a thing for that swing....

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