What was your fasting blood glucose? (full on chat)

[ianpspurs]

@OldButBold once again thanks for this space to explore diabetes whilst running the numbers past virtual pals, What I am interested in here are the assorted disasters/hates members have been unlucky enough to have endured in the name of LCHF. For my part erythritol is an inhumane substance to ingest; coconut is just wrong however it comes; bulletproof anything should never be contemplated and if a recipe comes from DD or has a keto prefix by the pricking of my thumbs ....... Interested in people's similar bad experiences (meat, especially bacon is in purgatory for me atm) - Montezumas and Hotel Chocolat (et al) deserve the same fate as Betjeman wished for Slough and cream needs to be well hidden. Not sure where alcohol fits despite having so much to move soon.

 

[Muddy Cyclist]

I really do believe this is entirely an n=1 experiment - seems to take people below 5.6 fbg <50 of the time from posts on here. 71 kgs seems low. My lowest has been 72.6 - I'm 6' how tall are you?
Edit: I lied. This day last year I weighed 72 kgs for a BMI of 21.5

My BMi is 22.4 I am 5 feet 10 inches and 32 inch waist, I suppose weight not too bad but still loosing weight on this diet even with all the snacking. All this would be more acceptable if my BG was low 5 and 4 figures. In reading information the high 5 and mid 6 seems non damaging, but what happens in between taking readings worries me and I'm not sure I can afford to self fund a libra monitor.

 

[ianpspurs]

In reading information the high 5 and mid 6 seems non damaging, but what happens in between taking readings worries me and I'm not sure I can afford to self fund a libra monitor.

Good luck with that. How will you deal with the data/potential issues thrown up if/when foods that make life bearable take you higher than the pearl clutchers swear by and foul concoctions put you "in the zone?" I think we all have our blood red lines of where we are willing to let LCHF take us - previous post spelled out mine atm.

 

[Muddy Cyclist]

What I am interested in here are the assorted disasters/hates members have been unlucky enough to have endured in the name of LCHF.

Hmmm not sure my experience is much help but for what it's worth here it is....

I actually seem to be OK with the high fat food stuff but other than cheese I am not a great meat fan and always feel bloated if I eat larger quantities. Fish, well other than Tuna Stakes and Salmon I'm not a big fish eater. I compliment all of my meals with loads of vegetables, stir fried or Roasted, a couple of spoons of rice seem OK. Puddings are mostly full fat Yogurt and berries, nuts, seeds although cheese cake as a treat never raises my blood sugars. I have to keep my carb intake to less than 30 grams a day and can't have more than 20 grams in any one meal. Long fasts don't seem to do anything for my readings and I have read the links re long fasts so understand what can happen but I find a snack of cheese seems to be more effective.
My one no go food is bread, low carb or not can always push up my blood glucose.
The worst thing for me is bowel movements, never a problem before LCHF but have become more challenging which then comes with its associated problems. Also weight management which I have mentioned already. I suffer from fibromyalgia which seems much better on this diet, however I seem to have more arthritic problems and feel colder which is not surprising so maybe the cold is causing the pain to be worse not the LCHF food.
The other less annoying problem is often I have salty tasting lips and am aware my breath is not so pleasant anymore.
So that's what I have learned in the short time since April. Long term who knows, but I can't see any alternative at this moment in time.

Edit... Sleep patterns are shot lucky if I do 4 hours.

 

[jjraak]

Good morning everyone - and good evening if you are across the pond.

The wonder wheel of mocking derision and sarcasm flaunted a 5.4 this morning surrounded by a pleasant pea green background.

The influence of certain cookery programmes burst into the kitchen yesterday with eggs Arnold Bennett - smoked haddock and cheese stylie and a bunch of pan grilled aaaaaaasparagus (just to add interest when visiting the loo). Luckily a short box of eggs contains half a dozen which is very neat and tidy for two people (4 for the omelette and 2 for the hollandaise).

Dental check up this morning - will the rain and wind have subsided enough to walk or will I just nick Mrs Miggins’ car?

Have a great day if you can, Bon weekend.

Fingers crossed for the day..
best wishes (depending) on a Bill murray patient experience or a Steve Martin 'caring' type dentist...
(cracking movie btw..one of my favs and the first to get me into musicals..the 2nd?..Les Misrable..stage video..mot THAT movie one.:***: )

 

[jjraak]

Morning all. Another dismal 5.7 for me which once again follows a day in the 4s and an fbg of 4.6. 16 gms carb and sub 1400 cals (73% fat, 11% carbs, 16% protein) yesterday. Hope the exercise bike, shower and tea make me a more sociable soul.

Mmh, while i'll bow to you greater experience and knowledge, @ianpspurs

Not withstanding that you most likely are still dealing with some aspects of the recent hospital visits
(HBA1c re 3 months average, perhaps ?)

might i gently suggest that perhaps taking carbs to a lower level, for many of us, MIGHT be causing your body to think your trying to damage it, and thus it raises your morning scores to compensate.?

as in how the longer fasting for some in morning, actually raises the FBG where as giving in and eating a little cheese seems to lower it, weirdly

the more i read of our bodies and it's mechanisms for survival, the more i have come to appreciate and respect just what a sneak B****** it really is

A Real Gollum.."yes master", "No master"... then turns on you as we we sleep.

read an interesting article, more so in that the protocol for low carb, benefitted one or two who choose the Higher end of the scale.
Whole post is here.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...verse-metabolic-syndrome.169593/#post-2164668

In addition the the part that made me pause was ...is THIS that first chink in that defensive armour that THIS way IS the wrong way, and perhaps just perhaps.,.. future T2's get better care , was this advise by the ADA
https://twitter.com/lowcarbGP/status/1191843909699284992

 

[jjraak]

Fbg 7.1

Going down again. I will have it in the 6's tomorrow.

I love this new Android phone, the Pixel 3a. It is very deaf friendly in several ways. I can individually customise the alerts (and I now have them on vibration only, and some on silent only, and important ones flash on the lock screen) in a way I couldn't with the iPhone.

Also because the iPhone traumatised me with those unexpected loud alerts, especially the phone ringing directly in my neural pathways, I cannot bear any unexpected noise now, even outside/other than the phone. It makes me jump out of my skin. I cannot identify noise anyway because I have never heard any of it in my life until I had the cochlear implant 10 years ago, and so my brain has no memory or basis to work or with.

J, my partner was to help me with this, it was to be an important part of my learning sound and identifying what noises were, because with always being profoundly deaf, I needed constant assistance to teach the brain. But he died in his sleep a few months later in the early hours of the end of May on what turned out to be a beautiful day of blue skies and amazing white clouds. He was an artist, and this his favourite subject he always painted.

So, I didn't get an important part of my training to learn about noise/sound.

This Pixel phone had something in its settings (amongst other helpful stuff) which Is called LiveTranscript (it is not a separate app, though I believe it can be installed as one). I have tried transcript apps from speech before and they have all been appalling.

This one is truly amazing. It is pretty near 100% accurate. I have been using it when I have gone somewhere for a breakfast, for example, and the waiter/waitress asks an unexpected question, and I know if I ask them to repeat it I am just not going to get it (because of their accent, lip movements etc), then I fish this phone out of my pocket (this LiveTranscript is left on the screen all the time) and I can see what they have asked me. In the diner, the lady had asked me if I wanted to sit in the sun or in the shade. So, that saved confusion for me, provided interest for the waitress who was fascinated that I fished out my phone to understand what she had said and talked with me about it, and consequently the whole thing made a lovely dining experience, and an attentive waitress. The problem is, there are many disabilities, and even with deafness there is not one 'rule/guidance' that can help us all. This LiveTranscript is a great ice breaker and gives the other person a basis on how much help I need and the type of help I need, without me trying to explain a concept they can't understand.

Anyway, the next two photos, both collages of screenshots, are something else the LiveTranscript does. It also identifies sound and noise in the environment. This was an amazing surprise. And you can click on the noise label it has just given, and it will give an explanation of that noise and maybe similar noises. The collages will show you that.

Also I couldn't find my phone. It turned out the cat, Popeye, was sitting on it. I fished it out from under him, and to my surprise it said 'Cat Sounds' and clicking on it gave me an explanation of the sound!! I think @SaskiaKC will like that very much, and others of you who have cats

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WoW..what a great article @gennepher ..
yes it's a post but wouldn't that MAKE a great article for some niche newspaper or the BEEB,.

.Just so much i wasn't aware of re other struggling with various diseases/ailmanets i had never even considered the difficulties involved...loved how the waitress got so involved,,brilliant

can't say i like the stranglehold that apple have over so many..good for them ..bad for us..

(i did read that they actively encouraged a form of phone apartheid, to keep the youth on board
by segregating those with mainstream apps in to haves and have nots..
as in Iphones work differently then the droids..
hence kids get bullied, just like back in the day, for being Different..

full marks to apple for garnering and mastering that herd mentality among the young,
just glad i'm old enough and silly enough to put two fingers up to peer pressure and make my own choices.)

So for droids, i'm quite impressed it does so much for YOU in comparison to the idiot phone...well done.
most happy for you.

 

[jjraak]

Morning all from a wet and windy North, IKEA gate last night, the wardrobe fitter refused to put three shelves in, as they are damaged just go and exchange them along with the lights (wrong ones and too small) simple he said. Not so simple said IKEA, over an hour to exchange some items, wrong ones brought out, lots of explanations as to what was wrong with them. Even asked if we would just go "and pick them yourselves", at this point dear reader I hid behind anything I could find! I knew from bitter experience what was about to land on the poor, unsuspecting, innocent person behind the counter, I felt sorry for them I truly did, I should have stood in solidarity with them. "If I wanted to traipse round the shop looking bewildered and lost, I wouldn't have paid for it to be picked for me so, if you wouldn't mind, could you do as I've already paid for and have them brought out, as I've already lost the will to live" or words to that effect, at this point I wandered off to have something to eat. At least we got what we wanted (hot dog, meatballs and a drink) anyway the meter of doom threw a 5 at me after fitting my own shelves, putting all the furniture and bed back in. It's only bloomin FRIDAY!! I'm going to go out and drink all weekend, not come home until Sunday with a lost phone, glasses and my clothes all ripped! or in reality, take the dogs out, clean and go shopping. oh to be a yoof again.

have a nice weekend and take care.

Oh @johnpol

UTTER Respect for your good nature and restraint.

The idea of doing so much, then having to go back to store, AND then to have suggested you data mine
your hidden items in the WARREN of IKEA that makes tora bora, seem like a walk in the park...BRAVO

Toys, dummy, pram all overturned here, i'm afraid as my lower threshold was so brutally assaulted by such poor service..

 

[dogslife]

No fbs test today. Just wanted to say stay safe, dry and warm to those in areas affected by the bad weather.

 

[SaskiaKC]

Hello, everyone. FBG 7.5 this Friday morning. I have 3 phone calls to make that I have successfully put off now for a week and 4 days, I see no reason not to put them off again until next Monday morning. Two will be attempts to have something done about the noisy neighbors before the next round of holidays brings more disturbance and stress; one will be another attempt to contact the manager of the local therapy barn to ask about watching some lessons and discussing possible volunteer work.

@gennepher your Android fascinates me and the cat sounds are very interesting. My own LG Android has more functions and apps than I have yet realized, I probably should make more use of it.

@jjraak thank you for the inspiration; I need to get into training for Royal A$$carb later this season ...

KittenCat calls ... something different for breakfast is wanted ... or something more ... or another massage session ...

 

[jjraak]

Hello, everyone. FBG 7.5 this Friday morning. I have 3 phone calls to make that I have successfully put off now for a week and 4 days, I see no reason not to put them off again until next Monday morning. Two will be attempts to have something done about the noisy neighbors before the next round of holidays brings more disturbance and stress; one will be another attempt to contact the manager of the local therapy barn to ask about watching some lessons and discussing possible volunteer work.

@gennepher your Android fascinates me and the cat sounds are very interesting. My own LG Android has more functions and apps than I have yet realized, I probably should make more use of it.

@jjraak thank you for the inspiration; I need to get into training for Royal A$$carb later this season ...

KittenCat calls ... something different for breakfast is wanted ... or something more ... or another massage session ...

Royal Ascarb.....genius..

love your calm acceptance of your role as Cat Mummy..

 

[jjraak]

Our for family meal last night ..wife's birthday..But my god don't mention that BIRTHDAY word around her

a not unpleasant experience, nice to see all at table, we had quite a few starters (Vietnamese) i ended up with ribs + rib as we remained undecided what to have for mains...but once gone seemed time to leave

( should have said i WANTED a main, had little food that day in anticipation :***:, but went with the flow as you do..won't happen again )

So walking home, stomach rumbling, fell into chicken shop, 1/2 grilled chicken AND rice..

ate half at home once in..Delish

post meal scores 6.7..result

just pan fried the rest for breakfast/brunch,
breast meat all shredded and mixed in with rice..again delish

fbg 6.1 this am after 2 teas (sweetener) and 2 bits of dark chocolate before testing..naughty naughty

will test out BG in a an hour or so, and edit in good or bad.

on another note, BBC reporting about AI, mentioning that AQ is more important for peoples success/survival at work
(and in current day life i'd say)
most accurately describes most of our journeys, i think..

jumping the shark, ahead of the curve,clear blue sky thinking... yadda, yadda

Superstars extraordinaire, ain't we

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20191106-is-aq-more-important-than-intelligence

 

[SaskiaKC]

@jjraak A very low-key and under-the-radar belated wish for a Happy Thursday to Lauren of Arabia, no mention of the B word ...

The chicken and rice sounds delicious; I sometimes do tuna and rice together.

 

[karen8967]

 

[ianpspurs]

Mmh, while i'll bow to you greater experience and knowledge, @ianpspurs

Not withstanding that you most likely are still dealing with some aspects of the recent hospital visits
(HBA1c re 3 months average, perhaps ?)

might i gently suggest that perhaps taking carbs to a lower level, for many of us, MIGHT be causing your body to think your trying to damage it, and thus it raises your morning scores to compensate.?

as in how the longer fasting for some in morning, actually raises the FBG where as giving in and eating a little cheese seems to lower it, weirdly

the more i read of our bodies and it's mechanisms for survival, the more i have come to appreciate and respect just what a sneak B****** it really is

A Real Gollum.."yes master", "No master"... then turns on you as we we sleep.

read an interesting article, more so in that the protocol for low carb, benefitted one or two who choose the Higher end of the scale.
Whole post is here.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...verse-metabolic-syndrome.169593/#post-2164668

In addition the the part that made me pause was ...is THIS that first chink in that defensive armour that THIS way IS the wrong way, and perhaps just perhaps.,.. future T2's get better care , was this advise by the ADA
https://twitter.com/lowcarbGP/status/1191843909699284992

Thanks for the links and thoughts @jjraak. I have had the same thoughts myself and played around with carb levels, cream in tea, bullet proof coffee and eating breakfast or not. Recently did some testing around that again. FBG shows variability from 4.3 to 6.3 with a fairly stable carb average of 20 gms. Exercise has started again recently - fbg bounces between 5.2 and 5.7. There is a narrow range of food I will eat nowadays - cheese is on it but I will not eat it first thing and not just to dampen bg. To me fbg is part of the bigger picture and overall this way gives a better profile.

 

[jjraak]

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Sometimes you don't need words.

Fab pic @karen8967

 

[gennepher]

WoW..what a great article @gennepher ..
yes it's a post but wouldn't that MAKE a great article for some niche newspaper or the BEEB,.

.Just so much i wasn't aware of re other struggling with various diseases/ailmanets i had never even considered the difficulties involved...loved how the waitress got so involved,,brilliant

can't say i like the stranglehold that apple have over so many..good for them ..bad for us..

(i did read that they actively encouraged a form of phone apartheid, to keep the youth on board
by segregating those with mainstream apps in to haves and have nots..
as in Iphones work differently then the droids..
hence kids get bullied, just like back in the day, for being Different..

full marks to apple for garnering and mastering that herd mentality among the young,
just glad i'm old enough and silly enough to put two fingers up to peer pressure and make my own choices.)

So for droids, i'm quite impressed it does so much for YOU in comparison to the idiot phone...well done.
most happy for you.

Thank you for the compliment

The hard part is giving people a chance to help you because it is difficult to explain what help I need, as most people get very impatient, because we only have brief interactions with a lot of people in the course of the day. And it's just not possible to explain to each and every one.

Consequently I shut up and put up, not because I am being a wimp, but because I have to expend so much energy to get through the day as regards strangers. It is not their fault, nor mine, but it does leave me just wanting to hide away for peace, and I let things go that I maybe shouldn't.

However, this LiveTranscript has worked out an ice breaker in several situations in the course of a single day. I don't think you/anyone can have any idea how much easier it makes the day as regards me hearing and communicating. Not just for the transcribing of words, but the fact I am using it is self explanatory that I need some consideration. It makes interaction more light hearted.

There is a lot more good stuff I can explain about the LiveTranscript, but I will write a book if I am not careful.

Anyway, I am grateful to this Android for being more deaf aware than the other which we shall not mention.

I am very pleased with this Android.

 

[gennepher]

Hello, everyone. FBG 7.5 this Friday morning. I have 3 phone calls to make that I have successfully put off now for a week and 4 days, I see no reason not to put them off again until next Monday morning. Two will be attempts to have something done about the noisy neighbors before the next round of holidays brings more disturbance and stress; one will be another attempt to contact the manager of the local therapy barn to ask about watching some lessons and discussing possible volunteer work.

@gennepher your Android fascinates me and the cat sounds are very interesting. My own LG Android has more functions and apps than I have yet realized, I probably should make more use of it.

@jjraak thank you for the inspiration; I need to get into training for Royal A$$carb later this season ...

KittenCat calls ... something different for breakfast is wanted ... or something more ... or another massage session ...

Hi @SaskiaKC I think there are a lot of things within our phones that we do not know are there.

I think we need a manual to know what the various settings mean!

 

[SaskiaKC]

@gennepher I agree about a manual. I would like one written in actual English, not TechnoJargon.

 

[jjraak]

Hi @SaskiaKC I think there are a lot of things within our phones that we do not know are there.

I think we need a manual to know what the various settings mean!

You sound pretty on the case re all this phone malarkey, so i may be overstepping the mark even mentioning this,
BUT most phone now have a user manual on web, and many will have you tube vids for how to get the best out of each one.
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/#topic=7078250

https://pixelphonemanuals.com/pixel-tips-and-tricks/

there is one i look at now and again dedicated to just using Google products.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9BqPtCcSyHvQsbl2rumM4w


many others out there as i am sure you know..ok
shutting up now...move along people

nothing to see here people//move along..