dbr10
Well-Known Member
I think all the manifesto books are cooked according to independent experts.
I think all the manifesto books are cooked according to independent experts.Ickihun I fear they have not learned their lesson and never will. By their own admission not everything in the manifesto is allowed for and we keep getting additions to the spend. It would be a shame especially since the annual deficit has reduced from £153.5bn in 2010 to £43.1bn in 2017. Until such time as the deficit (difference between what we earn and spend) is eliminated nothing can be done about reducing the debt. We've been here a few times in my lifetime and the cycle keeps repeating. We cannot tax, spend and borrow our way out of a mess. Their manifesto costings are about as realistic as the SNP's which looks at £118bn extra spending against a budget in 2017 of £37bn?
Wouldn't it be nice if politicians could work together using their skills and consulting with experts for the good of the UK rather than bitterness continually damaging the country. Regrettably it will never happen though.
Yes the New Labour Government did, especially with the PFI financing of new hospitals.I believe that is true; but we should also remember that Labour has carried out some NHS privitisation too - and I absolutely disagree with the policy.
I would hope not. There certainly was a big increase in PFI deals under New Labour, which they had rightly criticised Major for when they were in opposition. All to get the spending off the Public Sector Borrowing Requirement. Many were very poor value for money.Yes the New Labour Government did, especially with the PFI financing of new hospitals.
But I don't think a Corbyn Labour Government would continue with the backdoor privatisation of the NHS.
Not wishing to cause further offence, but Austerity is a political policy, not an economic one. Osborne's aim was to reduce the State sector to less than 34% of GDP - less proportionately even than in the US. There is no economic reason for it. State spending currently accounts for 40% - in Germany it is 44%. Their economy normally performs better than ours and gives them more to spend on Public services like the health service.I agree, and it's because of labour's ridiculous policies that we need austerity at all. Spending what we haven't got always feels good at the time, not so good when we have to pay it back plus interest.
Sorry to hear that.I'm not pro any party, just pro common sense.
@Mr_Pot that's exactly what so many want to do...to have what others are perceived to have for themselves. What they don't realise is that once it's all shared out they will still have nothing.
I think it's time I left this thread now, the last one got nasty and a handful of people made particularly cruel unjustified comments about me personally. I'm not going through that again.
And what about May's Magic Money Tree for banks, corporations and Tory party donors. She doesn't seem to mind living beyond her means when those parties have to be cuddled, but God forbid if any of our tax money should be spent on us. And remind me again, how much has the national debt increased since the Tories took power? How much more than the last Labour Government? And if a government minister is putting his or her name to things, then as far as I'm concerned it is government policy.None of your examples show a government policy to privatize the health service, they are just scare mongering stories. The fact is if Mr Corbyn and his cronies had their way this country would be bankrupt very quickly and then there would be a real threat to our health service and pensions. Look at what has happened to Greece, a prime example of what happens to a country that lived beyond its means.
But, "Enough is Enough" is just another meaningless phrase.
And while the Conservatives want more cuts to the NHS, education, pensions, welfare benefits, and free lunches for primary school children, they want to cut Corporation Tax for Big Business further.
It wasn't the sick, disabled, unemployed, pensioners and children who caused the 2008 crash. It was Big Business - the Banks.
Money can always be found for some things. These are political decisions. The National Debt has doubled approximately. And with growth policies, rather than austerity, the economy expands, there is more growth and the deficit is closed by a combination of an increase in tax revenues and a fall in spending on benefit payments.And what about May's Magic Money Tree for banks, corporations and Tory party donors. She doesn't seem to mind living beyond her means when those parties have to be cuddled, but God forbid if any of our tax money should be spent on us. And remind me again, how much has the national debt increased since the Tories took power? How much more than the last Labour Government? And if a government minister is putting his or her name to things, then as far as I'm concerned it is government policy.
No it didn't - was the deregulation of the banking sector started by St.Margaret that culminated in the 2008 crash that Labour were dealing with quite nicely until the Dave & Nick love-in screwed it all up....how much was the national debt in 2010? How much is it now? As for your pay rise, I would remind you, as you obviously haven't noticed, that a Tory government has been in power for the last 7 years, so how you blame that on Labour I'm not really sure. Delusional.The last labour government left us all poor, I have not had a pay rise in over 8 years from my employer but thanks to the conservatives my take home pay has risen.
"Seem"? What does that mean? Now who's being uncritical and subjective? How much? 10p? Fill yer boots.I seem to have more disposable income than before and the only difference to my income has been the change in the personal allowance. I earn less than £25k and am not in receipt of any benefits or tax credits.
Yes. More than I would trust an obvious Tory party shill.Can you really trust this man.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-34836582/jeremy-corbyn-opposes-shoot-to-kill-policy
It's true that Nigel Lawson deregulated the city under so called "Big Bang". What usually happens is there is a crisis followed by calls for more regulation, followed by implementation of watered down proposals, followed by lobbying to relax controls, followed by another crisis.No it didn't - was the deregulation of the banking sector started by St.Margaret that culminated in the 2008 crash that Labour were dealing with quite nicely until the Dave & Nick love-in screwed it all up....how much was the national debt in 2010? How much is it now? As for your pay rise, I would remind you, as you obviously haven't noticed, that a Tory government has been in power for the last 7 years, so how you blame that on Labour I'm not really sure. Delusional.
I did to the extent that I said I have voted for different candidates. I have voted SNP twice but will not do so this time, I have voted Labour when we have had a good local candidate and occasionally I have voted Conservative and even LibDem but that was when I lived elsewhere. This time is will be Labour or Conservative but leaning towards Conservative as she is a local lass , down to earth and understands the issues. I suspect SNP will still take the seat but with a reduced majority.Did you answer the OP's question?
A concrete proposal?It was pretty defining to me and means exactly what it says. Time for real hard line action.
Where do you get the idea the Conservatives want cuts to the NHS and education? That is not what it says in the manifesto.
Schools budget will increase by £4billion and be more fairly spread. Free school dinners for some children scrapped but replaced by free breakfasts for all children at primary schools. An extra minimum of £8billion to the NHS. I don't call those cuts.
A bigger factor is access to the single market. Doubts mean some companies and banks are considering moving to the continent.After Brexit we need as much business as possible. Increasing their liabilities is no incentive for any business to set up here, and will encourage some to leave - we all lose especially those working for those businesses.
But you wouldn't agree that the Taxpayer should be subsidising employers through in work benefits for those whose wages are too low to live on.Same goes for big increases to the minimum wage. It isn't just the workers on minimum wage to consider but their supervisors and their supervisors right up to the top level who will also need a pay rise to keep the differentials reasonable and fair. There will be job losses, and if like us you have owned a small business you would understand how this works.
I agree. Banks need more regulating - but not all corporations and big businesses are banks, and the reality is, we need everyone of them.
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We would need to know what the cash increases were and what inflation was over the period."Seem"? What does that mean? Now who's being uncritical and subjective? How much? 10p? Fill yer boots.
Which is what I said - until the deficit is eliminated nothing can be done about the debt. The debt is always going to increase so long as we have a deficit but not everyone appreciates the difference.Last time I looked abolishing the current deficit had been postponed indefinitely. At least until 2022. In the meantime the National Debt has increased from over £800bn to £1.7tn.
Growth policies are the best way to eliminate deficits. In a recession, economic activity falls, tax revenues fall, and spending on benefits increases. It is quite natural to have deficits in a recession. Government spending can maintain demand in the economy.Which is what I said - until the deficit is eliminated nothing can be done about the debt. The debt is always going to increase so long as we have a deficit but not everyone appreciates the difference.
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