Why I think LCHF doesn't improve beta cell function

Resurgam

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It is quite sad though, when people so want their hypothesis to be right that they will be to any lengths to prove it.
So many people tell me the lies put about to discredit Dr Atkins, for instance, and how many people have given up the low carb way of eating because it is so unhealthy. They really do not want to know the truth.
 
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Geordie_P

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Tannith, I appreciate your input, but for the sake of clarity, what is your diabetic status? When were you diagnosed, and what type? If this is private info, please ignore me, but it seems pertinent to your position here.
 

zand

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I am insulin resistant. My poor pancreas is already producing too much insulin which my body can't process well. Even though I low carb my fasting insulin figure is way too high. This is classic T2; a broken metabolism, so that's why my beta cells aren't my first priority. Keeping insulin levels lower is what matters to me.
 

Lamont D

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@Tannith, I am not in the habit of advising and disagreeing with those who need medical care and are struggling to find the answers to their problems.
Because, most of us, has been brainwashed by our peers into believing that what is the right way of doing something, somewhat like using a pencil and paper, instead of a computer. If you are doing treatment to suit, then fine, but believing something and being not true. Like politics, it's do as I say, not what I do!

I wish you could experience my condition. I am totally carb intolerant, I cannot have carbs, my body is totally different in how it deals with glucose and the insulin response. The first is not enough for any carbs, the second is too much and sends me into a cycle of Hypoglycaemia and symptoms. So, my diet is carb free as much as possible. I couldn't go vegan, it is not for me, for many reasons, I can only get through time and life, eating protein, with a balance of salad vegetables and saturated fats.
Of course there is a lot more to my lifestyle, but like @zand, I have tried every diet, and followed the medical advice until I was diagnosed with RH.
If you are found to be carb intolerant and your symptoms match that of typical T2 diagnosis, insulin resistance, first phase weak insulin response, high circulating insulin, hyperglycaemic, maybe hyperinsulinaemia.
When you don't stop the higher than normal blood glucose levels, the health of the T2 patient, will in most cases deteriorate.
If you were advised by a specialist endocrinologist to lower your carb intake and you have to lower your blood glucose levels to increase your life chances.
Would you disagree with that?
I've been there and educated myself with help from my specialist endocrinologist and some posters who have experienced some of the benefits of reducing carbs.
I am extremely fit now, ten years ago I was getting fatter (18 stone +) and my organs were in serious health problems, my general health was poor and I doubt I would still be here, if I never heeded that advice instead of eating three square meals and snacks, meat and two veg, porridge and baked spuds with beans. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day, you have to eat healthy carbs, you have to eat more vegan, fat is bad, vegetable oils are good, spread (margarine) instead of butter, skimmed milk, eggs are full of Edwina Currie, so don't eat them, bacon will give you cancer, a fry up will cause heart problems because of cholesterol.
And the worst of all is food, made by machine with little or none nutritional value whatsoever, because it's all sugar, bad fats and fillers such as Palm oil or chemicals.

It's great to follow medical advice when it really does work, as it has for me.
But like a numerous other medical advice over the last few centuries, it has proven to be totally bull.
You are what you eat!
Or in my case what I can't eat!
An intolerance is similar to a allergy. If you have an allergy you are advised to NOT eat it. So if you are allergic (in name only) to carbs, why still eat carbs every meal?

Low carb works, regardless of what the medical profession and our peers said.
Never mind what vested interests try and persuade you with their propaganda.
Always keep an open mind.

Best wishes.
 

Outlier

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Low-carb (almost no carb) certainly worked for me. I am a nutrition geek and there is nothing like finding out that "facts" change every few years, and much of the propaganda doesn't match actuality. We are all different in the way we process food, and none of us are mice.

The results of low-carb. for me speak for themselves. Fasting BG down to non-diabetic levels, appreciable weight loss (can't say how much as I didn't know what I weighed before I started, but I've gone down 3 clothes sizes since September), I am never hungry and I used to get bitterly hungry having had to battle my weight all my life, and it is all so easy.
 
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KennyA

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LCHF works for me. I was diagnosed T2 two years ago.

My BGs were in normal range within four months, My symptoms have all but gone, my waist has gone from 40 inch to 35 and I have lost maybe +20kg. For those that think it matters, my total cholesterol has fallen as well.

I am not a mouse.
 

Oldvatr

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LCHF works for me. I was diagnosed T2 two years ago.

My BGs were in normal range within four months, My symptoms have all but gone, my waist has gone from 40 inch to 35 and I have lost maybe +20kg. For those that think it matters, my total cholesterol has fallen as well.

I am not a mouse.
with that weight loss marathon - half a mouse? Probably half what you were anyway. My wife was nearly 20 stones when i was 18 stones. I took over the kitchen and went LCHF. She joined me, but was not restricted from treats since she was never diabetic. I dropped to an almost constant 64 kg for the last 5 years. and my wife dropped to about 60 kg too. So CIM certainly worked for both of us.
 

KennyA

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with that weight loss marathon - half a mouse? Probably half what you were anyway. My wife was nearly 20 stones when i was 18 stones. I took over the kitchen and went LCHF. She joined me, but was not restricted from treats since she was never diabetic. I dropped to an almost constant 64 kg for the last 5 years. and my wife dropped to about 60 kg too. So CIM certainly worked for both of us.
Ah, maybe a gerbil then? I think I've just fallen back through the 100kg mark - I have always been a big unit and I will probably settle around 85-90kgs idc.
 
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