Looks as though someone was playing with their chemistry set and saw a way to make loads of money!Edible food substitute.
It certainly does! At least Michael Moseley's diet uses real food.Looks as though someone was playing with their chemistry set and saw a way to make loads of money!
But it’s not necessary for people to do the Newcastle Diet. A low carb or keto way of eating does the same thing with out ingesting chemicals from a man made concoction.The reason I keep banging on about Newcastle Diet is that I am worried that if people don't try it first they may lose the opportunity.
If people spend several years keeping their BGs under control with Low Carb diet, it will take the strain off the sick beta cells but not restore them to normal or near normal function.The ViRTA study and lots of Dr Unwins patients have shown this claim to be completely unfounded I'm afraid.
Even insulin users have managed to both stop insulin use and restore their beta cell function to normal.
"Another completely unfounded claim. I have "passed" every diagnostic test for T2 (apart from a very slightly elevated insulin resistance reading a couple of years ago) from that I surmise that my beta cell function is normal."
Perhaps I should have used the expression "Newcastle Method" ie substantial weight loss sufficient to remove pancreatic fat. Prof Taylor has said that any diet will do as long as it achieves the necessary weight loss, and that bariatric surgery works also. I believe they used shakes in the studies just to achieve uniformity among the subjects so that their diets were comparable. I used real food because, having tried shakes when at university, I found them revolting.But it’s not necessary for people to do the Newcastle Diet. A low carb or keto way of eating does the same thing with out ingesting chemicals from a man made concoction.
Looking at the ingredients of these shakes I would not only be hungry but very sick if I drank it.
It not just about losing weight,but doing so that it is sustainable and healthy. (If there is weight to loose)
What happens after the shakes? Do you go back to bread and rice? How is that sustainable?
Bacon, eggs, roast chicken, steak, and cheese helped me lose weight and keep my A1C below 40 for three years.
It was. Hopefully you're all well again.
It was indeed. I had stomach ulcers - memorably painful, but then got inflamed trachea, next stop pneumonia, and was given six lots of antibiotics with no improvement - then the doctor rushed to the house with a sample bottle of a new tablet and I was better in three days.
Once I fully recovered I realised the ulcers had gone, never to return.
If people spend several years keeping their BGs under control with Low Carb diet, it will take the strain off the sick beta cells but not restore them to normal or near normal function.
What about those of us who have reversed our diabetes by low carbing, but haven't lost weight? I am still 19 stones, after 9 years of low carbing, but my blood sugar levels have been fine since about 5 months of starting to low carb. I am not the only one on here.Perhaps I should have used the expression "Newcastle Method" ie substantial weight loss sufficient to remove pancreatic fat. Prof Taylor has said that any diet will do as long as it achieves the necessary weight loss, and that bariatric surgery works also. I believe they used shakes in the studies just to achieve uniformity among the subjects so that their diets were comparable. I used real food because, having tried shakes when at university, I found them revolting.
Can you evidence the first claim? How do you assess the status of beta cells?If people spend several years keeping their BGs under control with Low Carb diet, it will take the strain off the sick beta cells but not restore them to normal or near normal function.
I would certainly never assume that a person's beta cell function was "normal" simply because they had low BGs. They might be keeping them down with drugs or they might simply be eating so few carbs that there was almost no sugar in their bloodstream for their sick beta cells to tackle. Having low BGs is brilliant as it reduces T2 complications but it does not necessarily indicate healed beta cells.
@Tannith I am pleased that you have reversed your T2 using the ND, but it doesn't work for all of us. I tried something similar at diagnosis in 2011 to no avail.
The problem I had with the ND was that I didn't lose enough weight on it, low carb was better for weight loss and better all round.Gotta tell you all I reversed my DX with the Newcastle diet. It’s brutal but a month in And my sugars were normal. Thank the stars above and the generous sharing on this site I discovered Low carbing. Oh so much friendly, more do-able and you know what mainly enjoyable , I mean I actually enjoy the buzz, the feel good factor I get from fasting . Yes it’s a discipline but one I am genuinely happy to live with . After 4 years I’m still learning I’m still fine tuning, trying to figure out things but it’s more than ok.
The problem I had with the ND was that I didn't lose enough weight on it, low carb was better for weight loss and better all round.
You can only assess their status if you have an ultra sensitive MRI scanner such as the one used by Prof Taylor or other means of testing them eg post mortem staining; or other indicators such as measuring their insulin production. Obviously I don't personally have any of this kit or access to these tests which are only available to world renowned scientific researchers such as Prof Taylor & his team. I just have to read the findings in their reports published in acclaimed scientific journals (such as the Lancet & Diabetologia) & take their word for it.Can you evidence the first claim? How do you assess the status of beta cells?
Thank you for the reply. The quote above says that the beta cells can be rescued by removing the metabolic stress of excess fat within these cells. It doesn’t appear to say this type of diet is the only way to do so. Does it mention definitions of early T2? Perhaps a link to your quote would be useful here.You can only assess their status if you have an ultra sensitive MRI scanner such as the one used by Prof Taylor or other means of testing them eg post mortem staining; or other indicators such as measuring their insulin production. Obviously I don't personally have any of this kit or access to these tests which are only available to world renowned scientific researchers such as Prof Taylor & his team. I just have to read the findings in their reports published in acclaimed scientific journals (such as the Lancet & Diabetologia) & take their word for it.
This evidence is good enough for the world's foremost diabetes experts so it is good enough for me.
"The study found, however, beta cells are not permanently damaged in early T2D and can be rescued by removing the metabolic stress of excess fat within the cells. The findings are the result of the examination of insulin production on a subgroup at baseline (starting weight), immediately after weight loss (five months), and upon follow up of one and two years."
https://www.diabetes.org/newsroom/press-releases/2019/insulin-producing-beta-cells
You can get a glucose tolerance test at the GP I believe. That should tell you how heathy or otherwise your beta cells are. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence on here eg the thread below and others. People doing low carb reporting eating this or that and finding their post prandial bg shoot up. An easier though less precise way of doing it would be just to eat a normal meal of say boiled potatoes peas and meat followed by rice pudding with a dollop of jam, and then test afterwards then at half hour intervals for a couple of hours. Then at 2 hours post prandial. People on here often report that they have had high bg spikes after high carb foods. That would be unlikely to happen if their beta cells were healed.Thank you for the reply. The quote above says that the beta cells can be rescued by removing the metabolic stress of excess fat within these cells. It doesn’t appear to say this type of diet is the only way to do so. Does it mention definitions of early T2? Perhaps a link to your quote would be useful here.
As none of us can measure our beta cells the best guide we have to their effectiveness are the tests we do have access to which would include the tests @bulkbiker mentions and you dismissed.
An easier though less precise way of doing it would be just to eat a normal meal of say boiled potatoes peas and meat followed by rice pudding with a dollop of jam, and then test afterwards then at half hour intervals for a couple of hours. Then at 2 hours post prandial. People on here often report that they have had high bg spikes after high carb foods. That would be unlikely to happen if their beta cells were healed.
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