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Patch

Patch

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Why do T1's LOSE weight when they have high BG's?

Why do T2's PUT ON weight when they ahve high BG's?
 
I know :( ... as a T2 gaining weight is all too easy :( :( :cry:
 
Patch said:
Why do T2's PUT ON weight when they ahve high BG's?
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I'm T2 and I lost weight before I was diagnosed when my bg levels were very high, if your insulin is not working for you due to IR and you are not using the carbs/glucose you are eating then your body is going to eat itself so whether T1 or T2 the end result is surely the same, isnt it?
 
Why do T1's LOSE weight when they have high BG's?
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This is a basic answer but the proper answer is very complicated !

Undiagnosed Type 1’s don’t have enough or even any Insulin to get the glucose to the muscles. Therefore the body, needing energy, converts muscle and fat to ketones and uses that for energy. Result they lose weight rapidly. Once they are diagnosed and on Insulin their normal Insulin sensitivity lets the Insulin work and the body once again gets its ‘food’.




Why do T2's PUT ON weight when they have high BG's?
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Types 2’s are often, but not always, Insulin resistant. This means they produce more and more Insulin to get the glucose to the muscles to do the work, meanwhile the glucose levels build up in the body because the Insulin cannot do its job properly.. Insulin causes the body to become fatter and the more fat you have the more Insulin resistant you become.

Once a Type 2 loses weight then the Insulin resistance goes down so that they require less insulin to move the glucose.

This is a very simplistic answer and, as can be seen by answers already, it by no means covers everything.

A Type 1 who uses a lot of Insulin to cover a lot of carbs in the diet can also become fat because of the amount of Insulin and develop Insulin resistance as well, thus becoming ‘Double Diabetic’.
 
Thanks Sue - another question, then. If it is easier to control T2 Diabetes when no extra weight is carried, could a possible way to induce weight loss in a T2 be to temporarily shut off insulin production?

Probably not the safest way to lose weight, but effective, and completely possible.
 
Patch said:
Thanks Sue - another question, then. If it is easier to control T2 Diabetes when no extra weight is carried, could a possible way to induce weight loss in a T2 be to temporarily shut off insulin production?

Probably not the safest way to lose weight, but effective, and completely possible.
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Erm.......that would mean shutting down your Pancreas which is not a good idea, unless you want to become a Type 1. :?

Interested to hear how you would do this....... :?: Doesn't involve TCP does it ..... :wink:
 
I guess you could get yourself a tapeworm Patch, quite effective for losing weight apparently. :roll:

Seriously......cut down not only the carbs but some of the fats that you eat. If you take in more Calories than you expend then you will put on weight.
 
Sue said:
If you take in more Calories than you expend then you will put on weight.
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If only the opposite were true.

cugila said:
Erm.......that would mean shutting down your Pancreas which is not a good idea, unless you want to become a Type 1.

Interested to hear how you would do this.......
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Pancreatic Clamp.
 
For goodness sake Patch ! :shock:

This is a little used procedure for measuring Insulin resistance, you couldn't exactly go to work with it clamped could you !

Maybe you would be better going for a stomach clamp, then you would lose weight because you couldn't eat so much.
 
In order to loss weight Patch you would be better cutting back on the fat, carbs and protein have 4 calories per gram where as fat has 9 (could be wrong so do please check).

Regards

Nigel
 
Sue said:
This is a little used procedure for measuring Insulin resistance
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Sounds like it shouldn't be "little used". If Insulin Resistance IS quantifiable, T2's should know!

sue said:
Maybe you would be better going for a stomach clamp, then you would lose weight because you couldn't eat so much.
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Eating less does not cause the weight loss in "stomach clamp" patients. I know you know that if 2 patients (1 with a clamp, 1 without) ate exactly the same food, and did exactly the same exercise, the one with the clamp would lose more weight, more quickly than the control subject.

Caloric Deficit is NOT an accurate measurement of potential weight loss.

P.S - Chill out. We're just talkin', here... :wink:
 
Everybody has an opinion Patch.....nobody is getting uptight. You mistake discussion for conflict. :(

Just because we don't see your logic, what's wrong with that ?
 
The reason the patient with stomach clamp loses weight is they have to eat less. They could not physically eat as much as a non clamped person.

Chill out.....I am.

Perspective Patch. I now eat in a day what I used to eat at one meal. Cutting down the portions of food is just as important as low carbing.

Blood sugars well controlled and still not on any medication so must be doing something right !
 
Its skinny me again to be the one who proves it that eating more calories than you use will put weight on They say I have DB but perhaps I have a tapeworm :lol: Any idea what I should feed it on :?:
CAROL
PS I have nearly reached 7 stone :!:
 
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