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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

Bluetit1802 said:
Of course Nicols S was ready. Has it not crossed your mind she was praying for a leave vote in England and Wales, and a remain vote in Scotland? Her golden opportunity to have the second referendum she has always wanted. Her speech was written a long time before the results were known. She didn't impress me.
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You can vote for Boris.
I'd vote for her.
 
ChrisSamsDad said:
Mod Edit to remove unnecessary comment, please refrain from personal attacks and insinuations.



This is what the CBI said - the CBI represents businesses in the UK, so I think their opinion really counts for something:

Access to a $16.6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people is the key benefit

  • UK firms’ access to the Single Market goes beyond a standard free-trade agreement - the EU has eliminated tariff barriers and customs procedures within its borders, and has taken strides towards removing non-tariff barriers - such as different product regulations - by enforcing EU-wide competition law and coordinating product regulations.
  • 76% of CBI members say that the ability to freely buy and sell products in the EU has had a positive impact on their business, including 74% of SMEs.
  • It has been estimated that UK trade with some countries in Europe could have increased by as much as 50% as a result of EU membership.
  • The Single Market also underpins access to European supply chains. In 2009 $207bn of the UK’s total of $293bn of exports to the rest of the EU27 was used as inputs to industries, rather than being consumed directly; and the UK imported $161bn of intermediates from the EU27 in 2009. Imported intermediates are important even to domestically-focused sectors: the health & social care sector used $19bn of imported intermediates (principally of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals).
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Yes, but that is all about the Single Market. We may still be able to trade in the SM. Being in the EU has restricted the UK from making trade deals with, Australia, New Zealand, America, Brazil, India, China, etc.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
There seem to be two distinct groups of people posting here.

Negative, cup half empty pessimists spouting doom and gloom.

Positive, cup half full optimists wanting to unite the country.

Personally, I 'm in the second group. Which group are you in?
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I'm with you @Bluetit1802 it was a gamble either way but this country is both strong enough and determined enough to make it work. Before the referendum a member of the French EU contingent said that if the UK went for brexit it would end up like Geurnsey - well to be honest I quite like Geurnsey!
 
MickyFinn said:
You know, I checked my comment again, and I made no predictions. The EU had already committed to investing £1.8 billion in Wales, that's a fact! Referencing what happened in the 80's is hardly a prediction, and successive UK governments certainly haven't invested in deprived areas of Britain, the EU has done so. Maybe you just don't have a proper argument so you attempted to obfuscate ;)

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Actually in my opinion you have made various predictions and assumptions over several posts. Perhaps the UK haven't invested as they have sat back and let the EU do it for them or because they have used all their funds on the EU? Am I an obfuscater? Takes one to know one! ;)
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Of course Nicols S was ready. Has it not crossed your mind she was praying for a leave vote in England and Wales, and a remain vote in Scotland? Her golden opportunity to have the second referendum she has always wanted. Her speech was written a long time before the results were known. She didn't impress me.
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She does appear to know what she wants.
It is less clear if Leave / Remain know what they want...

Two big ones coming up.
1 NS needs to be sure to win before calling a second ref.
2 Eng PM when to activate Art50 and take the consequences.

Be interesting to watch.
 
Catlady19 said:
Yes, but that is all about the Single Market. We may still be able to trade in the SM. Being in the EU has restricted the UK from making trade deals with, Australia, New Zealand, America, Brazil, India, China, etc.
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Except for those we've got as result of being within the EU which has negotiated as a more powerful bloc. Now? well we'd better be good at it, because we left with no choice but to renegotiate all those individual deals from a position of weakness. It's like leaving NATO because we used to be better at having wars and think we could better outside.
 
Catlady19 said:
Yes, but that is all about the Single Market. We may still be able to trade in the SM. Being in the EU has restricted the UK from making trade deals with, Australia, New Zealand, America, Brazil, India, China, etc.
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Er, most of the things I own know say made in china on them?
As to the rest, I'm sure we trade with them as well.
 
SunnyExpat said:
You have actually grasped that the EU want us to leave now, and are looking at ways to invoke article 50 for us?
You really expect them to sanction an extension??
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Actually I have always believed the EU want us out, nothing new to grasp. I didn't say I expected them to sanction an extension, just stating a fact that the 2 years COULD be extended with agreement.
 
ChrisSamsDad said:
Except for those we've got as result of being within the EU which has negotiated as a more powerful bloc. Now? well we'd better be good at it, because we left with no choice but to renegotiate all those individual deals from a position of weakness. It's like leaving NATO because we used to be better at having wars and think we could better outside.
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At least we can do it without having to agree everything with 27 other countries, I would say that will give us a head start and I may be a half glass full sort of person, but I don't think the UK is weak.
 
Catlady19 said:
At least we can do it without having to agree everything with 27 other countries, I would say that will give us a head start and I may be a half glass full sort of person, but I don't think the UK is weak.
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Well we've agreed a lot actually, we voted with the majority far more often than we voted against. And they have to agree with us, that's what democracy is about. In the 6 years from 2009 to 2015 we were only on the losing side 12% of the time.

Also, we've managed to NOT be part of the Schengen agreement - the agreement to remove internal borders and the Euro, so it's not like we have to submit to decisions we're not keen on.
 
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