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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

linnyb said:
I get that, but they agreed to the referendum & they were voted in by the people at the last election (to serve the people of this country). I personally don't agree at running away as soon as your not happy with a result, that to me isn't much of a plan.:(
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Why.
Many people have been heros for standing by their convictions, and refusing to do something they don't believe in.
'Just following orders' isn't a respectable defence for those that don't refuse.
 
hankjam said:
Thinking of doing the same.... though it will always stuck on my charge sheet....
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Same here...but I just thought If I don't pay up, think about the options and place my vote, I need to shut up:)


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I apologise if my comment has upset Brunneria or Zand, that was certainly not my intention. However, maybe you should review how your posts may have read to others!
 
Catlady19 said:
As mentioned before, they clearly didn't have a plan, Cameron took us into a referendum without a feasible forward plan. It was his responsibility to plan no matter what the result was.
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Not sure I can agree with that.
He wanted to remain and his plan was to stick with his great gains, if he lost the plan was to jump ship if he lost, which he did not expect to have to do, and has done.
It was always the winners who had to have a plan.
 
linnyb said:
I get that, but they agreed to the referendum & they were voted in by the people at the last election (to serve the people of this country). I personally don't agree at running away as soon as your not happy with a result, that to me isn't much of a plan.:(
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That's an interesting phrase.
'voted in by the people at the last election (to serve the people of this country)'

The parties lay out a manifesto.
They state what they are going to do, and how they are going to govern.
You vote for the party you believe will 'serve' in the way you personally prefer, for whatever reason you decide matters to you.

So, technically, they only serve by carrying out the manifesto, not by your ongoing choices.
At best, if you object, you can choose a different set of policies, and a different party next time.
There was nothing in the manifesto beyond the referendum.
You got that.
They did what they said they would.
It's not Cameron's fault he now thinks his bosses are complete idiots, and he has decided he doesn't want to work for them anymore.
Anyone in any job can do that.
 
linnyb said:
I apologise if my comment has upset Brunneria or Zand, that was certainly not my intention. However, maybe you should review how your posts may have read to others!
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Sorry, I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
 
SunnyExpat said:
That's an interesting phrase.
'voted in by the people at the last election (to serve the people of this country)'

The parties lay out a manifesto.
They state what they are going to do, and how they are going to govern.
You vote for the party you believe will 'serve' in the way you personally prefer, for whatever reason you decide matters to you.

So, technically, they only serve by carrying out the manifesto, not by your ongoing choices.
At best, if you object, you can choose a different set of policies, and a different party next time.
There was nothing in the manifesto beyond the referendum.
You got that.
They did what they said they would.
It's not Cameron's fault he now thinks his bosses are complete idiots, and he has decided he doesn't want to work for them anymore.
Anyone in any job can do that.
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I guess that is what we call democracy, we all have choices, we all have opinions. I'm thinking that Cameron must now think that there are over 17 million idiots in this country then.
 
linnyb said:
I guess that is what we call democracy, we all have choices, we all have opinions. I'm thinking that Cameron must now think that there are over 17 million idiots in this country then.
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I would imagine so.
Him and a lot more I expect.
 
SunnyExpat said:
He had a plan.

Your problem now is no one asked him what it was, and when he told you, you didn't like it.
Maybe you should have asked the brexit team what would happen after, instead of assuming someone else would be doing it?
And you can't really complain, as it seems to be exactly the same plan the Brexit frontman, Boris had.
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I can complain, Boris wasn't the PM, Cameron was.
 
Welshman1952 said:
I very much doubt it. Already shares in the major banks have slumped, the FTSE had fallen and the pound has dropped dramatically. Short-term, I would guess this means another period of tightening our belts as Article 50 is invoked. The longer term consequences remain unknown and will depend on the terms of our exit.

If we are able to maintain a relationship with the EU and negotiate new additional trade deals then the future looks rosier. If not, then prepare for harder times.

Whatever the end consequence, we can be assured the NHS will be unlikely to gain additional funding. Indeed, early indicators suggest the Conservatives will move further to the right and if that happens, we can expect increasing threats to our existing healthcare system as more private companies rake over delivery of NHS services.

All in all a bad day for the UK, for Europe and for future healthcare.
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Too much doom and fear mongering going on. Once all the adjustments have been done, i:e a new government in place to implement the new strategies, this country will be more powerful than when it was tied to an unelected bunch of thieving scumbags, namely, the EU. For now, the foundations are being firmly set and certainly this generation and beyond will only see a country that will be the envy of the rest of the world. Because, we showed them that we can do it. Countries will be fighting to do business with us. Immigration needs to be controled to allowing only those who's profession is in great need here and not just letting any 'Tom **** n' Harry' in. Like Australia, they have a fair system and it works. Don't forget, the UK is only a small place and only so much it can hold before it starts to burst at the seams.
 
linnyb said:
I apologise if my comment has upset Brunneria or Zand, that was certainly not my intention. However, maybe you should review how your posts may have read to others!
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Not really sure what you are implying tbh. To give you a bit of background on myself.....My parents were both born in 1918 into very poor families. My Mum was 1 of 11 kids and my dad was 1 of 8. This was when the poor were really very poor, no NHS and no welfare state. Going to bed hungry was the norm. No food banks then. Thrown out to work at 14. They taught me to work hard and be frugal. I got married in 1982 when interest rates were high. We borrowed as much money as we could to buy our own home. We both worked full time at pretty ordinary jobs with ordinary pay. We had no luxuries until we had paid off our mortgage 12 years later. No meals out, only short UK breaks as holidays. I spent the first 4 years of our marriage washing by hand because we wanted to save to have children. I even washed nappies by hand for the first 7 months after my first was born. I rarely used disposable nappies preferring to save money. Our TV was someone's old one which my FIL repaired for us. We kept that for 16 years.

When my first was a toddler I took him to a toddler group. I was amazed that one of my best friends there had just bought a video cabinet because her toddler kept putting things into the video slot. Why was I amazed? She was on benefits and was buying luxuries that I didn't even consider buying for myself. I went without things to give my kids a better future, I'm really not sure what you think is wrong with that. No silver spoon for me, just hard work and saving. I'm sorry if that offends people.
 
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Hi, At the end of the day we could well be in the single market, paying our wack like Norway and having the same immigration. The question on the ballot paper was not about immigration or being in out the single market it was an in out the European community only decision. It all depends what's best for the country. D.
 
cjj said:
Too much doom and fear mongering going on. Once all the adjustments have been done, i:e a new government in place to implement the new strategies, this country will be more powerful than when it was tied to an unelected bunch of thieving scumbags, namely, the EU. For now, the foundations are being firmly set and certainly this generation and beyond will only see a country that will be the envy of the rest of the world. Because, we showed them that we can do it. Countries will be fighting to do business with us. Immigration needs to be controled to allowing only those who's profession is in great need here and not just letting any 'Tom **** n' Harry' in. Like Australia, they have a fair system and it works. Don't forget, the UK is only a small place and only so much it can hold before it starts to burst at the seams.
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It's good to be positive.
Unelected.... tosh, it works as intended.
Remind me, how have we showed them?
Fighting, I hope not, really not a good idea.
I'm always amazed Oz gets trotted out as an example... living on one of their offshore islands must be a real treat...
There are a number of countries with a much higher density of population than the UK, we just don't plan it too well.

It is such a relief the leave plan was so well thought out in advance.

Some would think "troll"... I may have been hooked.
 
zand said:
Not really sure what you are implying tbh. To give you a bit of background on myself.....My parents were both born in 1918 into very poor families. My Mum was 1 of 11 kids and my dad was 1 of 8. This was when the poor were really very poor, no NHS and no welfare state. Going to bed hungry was the norm. No food banks then. Thrown out to work at 14. They taught me to work hard and be frugal. I got married in 1982 when interest rates were high. We borrowed as much money as we could to buy our own home. We both worked full time at pretty ordinary jobs with ordinary pay. We had no luxuries until we had paid off our mortgage 12 years later. No meals out, only short UK breaks as holidays. I spent the first 4 years of our marriage washing by hand because we wanted to save to have children. I even washed nappies by hand for the first 7 months after my first was born. I rarely used disposable nappies preferring to save money. Our TV was someone's old one which my FIL repaired for us. We kept that for 16 years.

When my first was a toddler I took him to a toddler group. I was amazed that one of my best friends there had just bought a video cabinet because her toddler kept putting things into the video slot. Why was I amazed? She was on benefits and was buying luxuries that I didn't even consider buying for myself. I went without things to give my kids a better future, I'm really not sure what you think is wrong with that. No silver spoon for me, just hard work and saving. I'm sorry if that offends people.
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Many of us have that type of back ground & like yourself my husband & I have worked hard & done without to provide for our family. As have thousands of working class people, whom are now having to rely on food banks as there wages won't go far enough to feed there families (because it is the working families that are having to use them). I don't consider that acceptable for a developed country. Unfortunately hard work & careful spending isn't always enough! It doesn't mean people don't try & deserve to be suffering. No silver spoon here, just hard work + empathy.
 
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