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les74

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According to today's Daily Mail lead article, research suggests eating fresh fruit daily lowers risk of developing Type 2 diabetes and also lowers risks of developing complications for those who have Type2.
The research undertaken by scientists at Oxford University show that sufferers eating fresh fruit more than 3 days per week have a 17% less chance of dying from complications than those eating it less than once a day. The study found a 28% reduction in major complications such as strokes, heart, eyes and kidney disease.
Dr Emily Burns Diabetes UK Research said, 'Fresh fruit has many health benefits and it is a myth that people with diabetes should not eat it. The type of sugar in whole fruit is different to the added sugar we should avoid.'
The results have been published in the journal PLOS Medicine. These findings sound controversial in the light of contributors views on fruit and BG levels?
 
Daily Express, rather than Daily Mail?

I burst out laughing in the middle of the supermarket when I saw the headline. Had it been based on the amount of fruit I've happily eaten over many years, very often as pudding or alternative to cake when cake was on offer, there's no way I'd be T2 now!

Ah well, it's all a distant memory now, and I've just enjoyed my three strawberries with extra thick double cream.... Making up for all those years of not eating cream, is my new aim.
 
Full write up here..
http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002279
What they don't seem to look at is the makeup of the remaining diet of the fruit v non fruit participants.. Do fruit eaters have a better diet than the non fruit eaters? As usual too many variables..and it's a strong association not proof...but when has that ever bothered the Fail..
 
The important thing is to read the original scientific paper in cases such as this. Invariably newspapers have jumped to conclusions and made up headlines to sell papers.
My suspicion would be that the people who hardly ever eat fruit are the very same ones who eat large quantities of carby junk food. The fruit has an association with better eating habits, but is not the cause of good health.

We used to eat large quantities of fruit, many portions every day. Fat lot of good it did us. The only fruit we have now are the very occasional berries (apart from avocados, olives, cucumbers and similar) and, guess what, James' diabetes has reversed / gone away / disappeared or what ever you want to call it. Now is that cause or mere association?
Sally
 
Check out the video by Dr Robert Lustig called "Sugar: The Bitter Truth". The main problem with sugar is Fructose (Sucrose is Glucose + Fructose). Fructose is common in fruit.


Most fruits, especially grapes and bananas are high in sugar and should be avoided if you are diabetic. Berries such as Strawberries and Blueberries are not so bad.
 
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Daibell said:
Do I trust much of the information that comes from DUK or Oxford University diabetes research - no.
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You can trust whoever you like. However, it is relatively easy to measure the effects of eating fruit if you own a blood sugar meter. If fruit makes your blood sugars spike then don't eat it.

Complications such as neuropathy, Alzheimer's, increased risk of heart disease and cancer are all associated with high blood sugar levels. If you keep your blood sugars high by eating the wrong food you will shorten your life expectancy by 10 years or more.
 
Well I used to be a heavy fruit eater and really miss it still so over a week I still eat like 6-8 pieces of fruit But only when I have burned a lot right before or if my blood sugar is lower than 5.2 in the afternoon . Have changed to berries But then tend to eat a lot. Had a little piece of watermelon the other day bought it for my daughters holidays ... I Think it is best to eat very little fruit But that we also miss some real good antioxydants that way ....
but Then we can get that from other plants like triphala- pills from India which is also an excellent laxative https://www.banyanbotanicals.com/info/ayurvedic-living/living-ayurveda/herbs/triphala/
 
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It seems the title of this thread is as relevant to the T2D as the words of the "Raspberry song" is to someone on a lot of metformin! :)
 
les74 said:
According to today's Daily Mail lead article, research suggests eating fresh fruit daily lowers risk of developing Type 2 diabetes and also lowers risks of developing complications for those who have Type2.
The research undertaken by scientists at Oxford University show that sufferers eating fresh fruit more than 3 days per week have a 17% less chance of dying from complications than those eating it less than once a day. The study found a 28% reduction in major complications such as strokes, heart, eyes and kidney disease.
Dr Emily Burns Diabetes UK Research said, 'Fresh fruit has many health benefits and it is a myth that people with diabetes should not eat it. The type of sugar in whole fruit is different to the added sugar we should avoid.'
The results have been published in the journal PLOS Medicine. These findings sound controversial in the light of contributors views on fruit and BG levels?
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I saw this headline this morning. My own experience is that, before becoming diabetic, I used to eat a lot of fruit - it's good for you, right. I put on about half a stone around my middle.
I now know that fruit sugar is processed in the liver and adds to weight around the middle, leading to fatty deposits in the liver and pancreas.
I think the story is nonsense. Fruit sugar certainly raises my BG. I understand that Dr Berstein hasn't eaten fruit for fourty years.
 
Botanically there are still fruits I eat - but the highest post diagnosis BG level I saw was after eating a mango - just testing to see if I really was going to be unable to tolerate fructose.
To state that the sugar in fruit is not what should be avoided - that is firstly just totally wrong, but it is so dangerous too. People could die if they believe that fructose is safe to eat, or worse, have to live with the consequences.
I grew up in a place which had a large orchard and fruit garden, and when I had my own places I planted the garden with all sorts of trees and bushes, and also located sources in the surroundings where I could pick crab apples, sloes, blackberries and the like. Marrows and other berries flourished I'm my gardens - I had so much fruit, and the garden is still littered with last years apple crop which I did not pick.
Eating fruit and vegetables was no protection for me.
 
les74 said:
According to today's Daily Mail lead article, research suggests eating fresh fruit daily lowers risk of developing Type 2 diabetes and also lowers risks of developing complications for those who have Type2.
The research undertaken by scientists at Oxford University show that sufferers eating fresh fruit more than 3 days per week have a 17% less chance of dying from complications than those eating it less than once a day. The study found a 28% reduction in major complications such as strokes, heart, eyes and kidney disease.
Dr Emily Burns Diabetes UK Research said, 'Fresh fruit has many health benefits and it is a myth that people with diabetes should not eat it. The type of sugar in whole fruit is different to the added sugar we should avoid.'
The results have been published in the journal PLOS Medicine. These findings sound controversial in the light of contributors views on fruit and BG levels?
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Fruit is good, yet from person to person there is an individual genetic influence on how you process this intake. You need to monitor your BGL's to understand your own tolerances. I am doing this as we speak.
 
Dietitian, doctor, expert and nutritionist and their opinions on T2 are now automatically put in my mental junk mail folder as I rarely if ever read anything that remotely meets what I now know to be good for my T2 from the aforementioned.
 
Fruit sugars are a subject that needs to be researched thoroughly, but not just by professionsals but by diabetics themselves! Let us hold a forum on results involving fresh fruit (avoiding popular fruit drinks). I am ready to try.
 
leslie10152 said:
Fruit sugars are a subject that needs to be researched thoroughly, but not just by professionsals but by diabetics themselves! Let us hold a forum on results involving fresh fruit (avoiding popular fruit drinks). I am ready to try.
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We are the sufferers of this condition. We have the numbers, who better to put forward the experiment? Who is with me?
 
Sorry, @leslie10152 , but count us out. Four years ago, I recall highlighting all the fruit on our very detailed food diary and finding a strong correlation with the larger increases in blood sugars over the course of a meal. We've been there, done that and actually find much fruit (oranges, bananas, grapes) far too sugary to be enjoyable these days. James even describes bread as unpleasantly sweet.
Sally
 
sally and james said:
Sorry, @leslie10152 , but count us out. Four years ago, I recall highlighting all the fruit on our very detailed food diary and finding a strong correlation with the larger increases in blood sugars over the course of a meal. We've been there, done that and actually find much fruit (oranges, bananas, grapes) far too sugary to be enjoyable these days. James even describes bread as unpleasantly sweet.
Sally
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No problem. I am still an agitator after 11 years. I have not surrendered yet!
 
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