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lindisfel said:
Those articles are not a ringing endorsement for all saturated fat or eating processed meats like bacon? D.
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The jury is still hung on those issues. but there is some evidence that sat fat is not as bad as we used to think of it, but it is still not fully in the clear, and I for one advise a mix of fats and not go 100% sat fat. Similarly, natural meats with fat are considered good, but where meats are processed by modern methods, then the use of nitrites to preserve them is being linked to unhealthy outcomes, so although I eat bacon, I do so in moderation. It used to be cured naturally and smoked like kippers, but now it just gets sprayed with chemicals to save time and money. This is why bacon, sausage, kippers and smoked cheeses are getting bad press.

However for losing weight it is now considered that sat fats help lose weight which is not what we were taught. Even Reader digest were promoting sat fat to dieters some 10 years ago ( We have an extensive RD library in the smallest room in the house, and I was musing away a quiet moment reading this very article last week)

If you want a ringing endorsement on Sat Fats, then read Zoe Harcombes articles, or what the PHC are saying, since they are currently staunch advocates for fat. Moderation is the route I choose.
 
lindisfel said:
Those articles are not a ringing endorsement for all saturated fat or eating processed meats like bacon? D.
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I think it would be very difficult to have a diet where all the fat is saturated fat. For example, the fat in beef is only about 40% saturated fat, the fat in bacon is about 33% saturated fat, and butter is about 63% saturated fat.
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
I think it would be very difficult to have a diet where all the fat is saturated fat. For example, the fat in beef is only about 40% saturated fat, the fat in bacon is about 33% saturated fat, and butter is about 63% saturated fat.
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I believe Coconut Oil is pretty saturated.
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
I think it would be very difficult to have a diet where all the fat is saturated fat. For example, the fat in beef is only about 40% saturated fat, the fat in bacon is about 33% saturated fat, and butter is about 63% saturated fat.
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I agree. I have just this last hour looked back at my food diary in the times when I recorded all the nutrients. Everything in my diary that contained fat had a mix of saturated and unsaturated. I grill my bacon (personal preference) and for my 84g (3 rashers) it was 4g saturated and 9g unsaturated. 14g of Kerrygold butter was 7g sat and 4g unsat. Even my Red Leicester cheese was a mixture. Fillet steak was half and half.
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
No thanks.
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Not for me either. Rapeseed oil is also known as Canola oil, which is heavily industrially processed to make it safer for humans. In its unfiltered and chemically raw state it is actually toxic, and needs major chemical treatment. There was an article posted a while ago in another thread that describes this process, and it was quite horrific,

https://www.crowniron.com/industries/oilseed-processing/canola-rapeseed-processing

Note also that rapeseed is now grown commercially to provide a major source of biodiesel used in agriculture, and this use in UK is a larger user of rape than food, and has become a prime use for the plant. Most rapeseed oils in UK shops is imported from USA or Canada
 
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Oldvatr said:
Again it only reduces LDL, and recent studies have shown that having low LDL is no longer considered necessary in terms of mortality risk. In effect lowering LDL too low actually increases your risk of early death or co-morbidity. Also another study showed that there is no link between Sat Fat and increasing risk for CVD or stroke, Again it was a meta analysis of historic data. Also confirmed by the Harvard Nurses study, which is an ongoing long term large scale trial in USA.

Edit to add: it also showed that PUFA and Omega-6 fats are harmful in large quantities. The safest fats are monounsaturated ~(MUFA) like cold pressed virgin olive oil, and then Sat Fats. Transfats are a definite NO-NO in all studies.
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It seems to me that if one looks at all of the recent studies in the round, my goal should be
High HDL, High LDL , so consistently good ratio of the two , Low Trigs, High Total Cholesterol . Pretty much the profile of @DaveKeto hyper responders profiles.

( I would love to know if the queen is also a hyper responder after years of butter meat and cream !)

I personally am rather hoping that having reach my low point of cholesterol of 3.9 including low trigs, I will now see continually increasing cholesterol but still with trigs under 1.

That's my goal in adopting my Low Insulin - LCHF diet with lots of saturated fat, limited omega 6 , matched omega 3/6 oils.
 
Oldvatr said:
https://www.fitnessmagazine.com/recipes/healthy-eating/nutrition/good-and-bad-fats/

Its a blog, so not a primary source of info, but it does reference the scientific studies that back up the claims being made, I have read these reports before, and confirm they do exist if you want to seek them out.

And here is another blog talking about using sat fat for weight loss.
http://www.doctoroz.com/blog/lisa-lynn/fat-loss-tricks-actually-work
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Well I can certainly confirm this personally , I've been eating 58g of saturated fat daily and the weight is dropping like a stone !
 
CherryAA said:
It seems to me that if one looks at all of the recent studies in the round, my goal should be
High HDL, High LDL , so consistently good ratio of the two , Low Trigs, High Total Cholesterol . Pretty much the profile of @DaveKeto hyper responders profiles.

( I would love to know if the queen is also a hyper responder after years of butter meat and cream !)

I personally am rather hoping that having reach my low point of cholesterol of 3.9 including low trigs, I will now see continually increasing cholesterol but still with trigs under 1.

That's my goal in adopting my Low Insulin - LCHF diet with lots of saturated fat, limited omega 6 , matched omega 3/6 oils.
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This is my interpretation of the new studies, too. If (big IF) those studies remain valid then I am happy with their interpretation, but as we have seen in the past these could be overturned in the future, If Ancel Keys can be so soundly rebuffed as it was, then maybe these studies also have weaknesses, But for the moment I will aim at the same targets as you.
 
Oldvatr said:
This is my interpretation of the new studies, too. If (big IF) those studies remain valid then I am happy with their interpretation, but as we have seen in the past these could be overturned in the future, If Ancel Keys can be so soundly rebuffed as it was, then maybe these studies also have weaknesses, But for the moment I will aim at the same targets as you.
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In the end there's only so much one can do to try and make sense of all this competing data, affected as it all no doubt is by the goals of whoever is funding it . It's becoming clear that scientists can pretty much "prove" anything if they set their minds to it. The one thing that is very clear is that the Low Fat hypothesis simply doesn't work and the world has reaped the results. Neither does it make sense that saturated fat is the culprit given just how much emphasis has been placed on getting it out of the human diet.

So like you, I will keep an eye on what is being said, but for now I'm sold and I'm certainly healthier today than I've been in 20 years as a result.
 
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Most of us use the cold pressed rape seed oil. I may be wrong but I thought it came straight from farm and was bottled like virgin olive oil. D.

Look up Hill farm cold pressed rape seed oil there is no heating or chemicals processing in cold pressed rapeseed oil.

Oldvatr said:
Not for me either. Rapeseed oil is also known as Canola oil, which is heavily industrially processed to make it safer for humans. In its unfiltered and chemically raw state it is actually toxic, and needs major chemical treatment. There was an article posted a while ago in another thread that describes this process, and it was quite horrific,

https://www.crowniron.com/industries/oilseed-processing/canola-rapeseed-processing

Note also that rapeseed is now grown commercially to provide a major source of biodiesel used in agriculture, and this use in UK is a larger user of rape than food, and has become a prime use for the plnnt. Most rapeseed oils in UK shops is imported from USA or Canada
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lindisfel said:
Most of us use the cold pressed rape seed oil. I may be wrong but I thought it came straight from farm and was bottled like virgin olive oil. D.

Look up Hill farm cold pressed rape seed oil there is no heating or chemicals processing in cold pressed rapeseed oil.
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Like any thing extra virgin, cold pressing makes the end product quite expensive and niche product,
 
I use a tspoon each of V Coconut oil, EV Olive oil and butter for any stir frying of veggies and such ( 120 Cals,15g Fat ). I put in a pinch of dried Dill, Mint, Rosemary, Basil and Thyme while my oil is heating O and good salt and black pepper. Just butter for scrambled eggs Though..
 
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