Britain's Fat Fight

[Mr_Pot]

I'm surprised everyone is talking about the trivial issues when the real elephant in the room is this:

I thought HFW looked great with the tash. I'm heterosexual most days of the week but I found myself having unshakeable thoughts of sitting on his knee while he fed me Werther's Originals.

I think he needs lederhosen to complete the look.

 

[lucylocket61]

I would NOT have recognised him.

 

[AdamJames]

My first thought was 'HFW must have Dutch ancestors'. Don't ask!

I see that now that you say it. For some reason the look made me think 'Australia' at first, but I think I've worked out that's because of Kiosk Keith. I expect most people here are far too sophisticated to even know who Kiosk Keith is, and even if they do, they won't admit it.

 

[ickihun]

True but they probably make up the vast majority of diabetics in there that are there for diabetes related reasons.

Is there a diabetic ward or are diabetics just treated on normal wards but highlighted as diabetic?
Amputations for example?
Sepsis causes amputations too and injuries cause amputations, not just diabetes.
Is 1 out of 6 patients diabetic, having amputations?

 

[AdamJames]

If we must talk trivia, here's some of the things I remember thinking:

Jogging: It really worries me when very overweight people are persuaded to suddenly start jogging. I worry about their joints.

Using the urban environment for exercise: When that chap was being interviewed in the streets of London and said that you don't need to go to the gym because you can use the surroundings in the city, I was hoping he was going to suddenly break into parkour and show us some moves. I was a bit disappointed when he didn't.

Kellogg's: The bit where HFW was standing outside their HQ gave me a very sinister impression about the company. A big building, lots of reflective windows so you can't see inside, gated, with security personnel, and somebody hanging up on him when he phoned them ... you'd expect that from MI5 or and organised crime boss, not a company which people trust to make things which they regularly put into their bodies.

 

[PenguinMum]

I see that now that you say it. For some reason the look made me think 'Australia' at first, but I think I've worked out that's because of Kiosk Keith. I expect most people here are far too sophisticated to even know who Kiosk Keith is, and even if they do, they won't admit it.

I do and I am sophisticated enough to admit it! He and his pals make my run up to Christmas very jolly each year.

 

[Rachox]

I see that now that you say it. For some reason the look made me think 'Australia' at first, but I think I've worked out that's because of Kiosk Keith. I expect most people here are far too sophisticated to even know who Kiosk Keith is, and even if they do, they won't admit it.

I know who Kiosk Keith is and quite willing to admit it! Love the show!

 

[kev-w]

I'm a bit OCD with food labels, and I got caught out last night (I think), my local supermarket recently started stocking a new sauce range, South American sauces and most were under 5g carbs per 100g, they have some dry spice packs too and I swear down the Brazilian one that I suspect made me high thru last night didn't have 52g carbs/100g (having checked at lunch ) 2 weeks back the last time I used one.

If the wheelie bin hadn't been emptied last week I'd have picked thru the bin bags till I found the packet to double check!

 

[Brunneria]

OK, I admit it. I just looked up Kiosk Keith on google.

I guess I am just pre-historic enough to not 'get' the modern trend for facial brillo pads, no matter what their shape or colour. So I am thinking that I may have seen KK in the past, and then conveniently wiped him and his tache from my memory. One of the better reasons to save memory capacity, I think you will agree.

 

[slip]

Is there a diabetic ward or are diabetics just treated on normal wards but highlighted as diabetic?
Amputations for example?
Sepsis causes amputations too and injuries cause amputations, not just diabetes.
Is 1 out of 6 patients diabetic, having amputations?

no I'm not saying that. 6% of the population has diabetes of one kind or another, yet 16-17% of beds are occupied by that 6% for one reason or another - I guess you could assume that the other extra 10% would be there for purely diabetes related reasons?

 

[lucylocket61]

no I'm not saying that. 6% of the population has diabetes of one kind or another, yet 16-17% of beds are occupied by that 6% for one reason or another - I guess you could assume that the other extra 10% would be there for purely diabetes related reasons?

or not. 16.5% of beds are (allegedly) occupied by diabetics, of whatever type. It does not then follow that those beds are being occupied for diabetic related conditions.

and I am not sure about this bit being mathematically correct:

I guess you could assume that the other extra 10% would be there for purely diabetes related reasons?

I assume you subtracted the 6% who are diabetic from the 16% occupying beds. However, that is nonsense mathematically and statistically.

Of the 16.5% you mention, 100% of them are (allegedly) diabetic, so where does the idea that 10% of those are there for diabetic related conditions? The cause of the diabetics occupying the beds is an unknown factor. We cannot extrapolate a figure for the ones having diabetic complications from the information given.

 

[Mr_Pot]

or not. 16.5% of beds are (allegedly) occupied by diabetics, of whatever type. It does not then follow that those beds are being occupied for diabetic related conditions.

and I am not sure about this bit being mathematically correct:


I assume you subtracted the 6% who are diabetic from the 16% occupying beds. However, that is nonsense mathematically and statistically.

Of the 16.5% you mention, 100% of them are (allegedly) diabetic, so where does the idea that 10% of those are there for diabetic related conditions? The cause of the diabetics occupying the beds is an unknown factor. We cannot extrapolate a figure for the ones having diabetic complications from the information given.

40% of NHS hospital admissions are for those over 65 and the number of people with type 2 increases with age so that would explain to some extent the number of beds occupied by diabetics. It doesn't help with knowing how many admissions are directly due to diabetes however.

 

[Bluetit1802]

There must be some stats somewhere that tell us how many people are admitted specifically due to diabetes.

 

[Guzzler]

The word 'Scapegoat' comes to mind. The elderly 'bed blocking', and the T2s are now being blamed just as once it used to be the smokers. Statistics can be made to say anything you fancy.

 

[mojo37]

I usually get the knife stuck halfway through and end up waving it around lice a medieval torture implement until I slam it down on the chopping board. But I agree swede is yummy.

That's so me lol

 

[Mr_Pot]

The word 'Scapegoat' comes to mind. The elderly 'bed blocking', and the T2s are now being blamed just as once it used to be the smokers. Statistics can be made to say anything you fancy.

The elderly tend to get ill, there are more elderly in the population hence an increasing number in hospital. I don't think that they are scapegoats or being blamed it's a consequence of people living longer.

 

[Guzzler]

The elderly tend to get ill, there are more elderly in the population hence an increasing number in hospital. I don't think that they are scapegoats or being blamed it's a consequence of people living longer.

It is the inferrence, fewer beds blamed on those who are 'deliberately' bed blocking. The inferrence that T2s are 'bringing our NHS to breaking point'. The inferrence that both of these things are due to willful neglect or laziness or malingering etc. It is how it is portrayed, worded in the media.

 

[dbr10]

The elderly tend to get ill, there are more elderly in the population hence an increasing number in hospital. I don't think that they are scapegoats or being blamed it's a consequence of people living longer.

I do think that elderly people living longer is often portrayed as a problem, rather than something to be celebrated. There is rather less attention paid in the media to how we cope with the challenges.

 

[LooperCat]

When I was having some gynae surgery (so totally not diabetes related) a few years ago, there was a lady in the next bed having the same procedure - I’m type one and she was type two. I wonder if either or both of us would have come under that “diabetics occupying hospital beds” statistic?

 

[ickihun]

That's so me lol

And me until I bought mashed suede.