@Brunneria I don't understand this. Vegetables all contain carbs. I find I have to ration them severely in order to keep my carb intake and my bg down. Perhaps it is possible to eat keto while still eating enough carbs to raise some people's bg? Could you give an example of your vegetable intake over eg a day?
My current veg intake is nil - because I have been ZC/carnivore since a bad tummy bug before Xmas made veg fibre a no no for me.
However, when I was eating 'keto', I ate plenty of veg. Sugar snap peas, green beans, aubergine, courgettes, cauliflour, broccoli, salads, mushrooms, coleslaw, tomatoes (within reason), cabbages, spinach, kale, celeriac... lovely, lovely veg in bounteous portions, often with butter or cheese or mayo or cream cheese over them.
Sugarsnap peas have approx 5g carbs/100g. I was cheerfully eating 150g for my evening meal, with a good 150g of sauteed mushrooms and maybe followed by 2-3 strawberries with cream. That is a lot of veg to see on a plate. Lovely. Negligible bg impact. The more fibre, the less bg impact.
I would have a big beefsteak tomato at lunch (the size of a cricket ball) with mozzarella and olive oil, or with peppered smoked mackerel. That would raise my blood glucose. But if I had it with coleslaw (fat and fibre) my levels hardly blipped.
A portion of leeks (in butter) was... um... a couple of the big leeks, you know the ones that run the length of the fridge shelf?
Oh, and braised red cabbage (spices, apple cider vinegar, onion and a cooking apple, with a HUGE red cabbage sliced like coleslaw, and a dab of butter...) a portion of that was probably... um... the size of both my clenched fists...?
Gosh, this is making me nostaligic. I love veg.
I have never gone for any kind of rigid carb counting, because for me and my body (which has variously had T2 bg levels and RH), all that veg had virtually nil impact on blood glucose, and nil effect in preventing me from being in ketosis. I think it was the fibre making the carb glucose release be so slow that my blood glucose doesn't show a rise. Or the rise was so slight that my own insulin levels iron it out. This is why I bang on about not all carbs being equal, and how fat and fibre slow the glucose release.
The carbs I need to count are the ones that release fast enough to affect my blood glucose, the simple sugars, the starchy veg, grains, chocolate, roasted chicory (coffee substitute), milk, yog, etc.etc. I am incredibly sensitive to all these quick release carbs because my 1st insulin response is totally shot (like many,
many T2s), and my gluten/grain intolerance makes my bg v unstable if I have a whiff of grain 'on board'.
I've never bought into the idea that ketosis=50g or less, or even 20g or less.
We are too individual for that.
The idea is just illogical and misleading.
A ketogenic diet is when the food you eat keeps you in ketosis - and that number of g of carbs varies from person to person depending on a whole number of variables from their height, weight, age, muscle mass, insulin resistance, the person's individual reaction to the food (
@Chook used to talk about spiking from mushrooms!) so food intolerances play a part, also the amount of fat and fibre eaten before or with the food, the type/source of the carbs, stress levels when eating/digesting, exercise, etc. etc.
Most of those things vary from day to day, so the food that keeps you in ketosis will vary day to day too - heck even during a single day.
As an example, try taking 10 g of quick release carbs, in say, a half slice of bread.
Eat it by itself.
The next day eat it with lashings of butter
The next day eat it before your evening meal
Then next,
after your protein/fat evening meal
Then use it as breadcrumbs in a meatloaf
Then eat it with a non-fibrous veg
Then a really fibrous veg portion
Then eat it before exercise
and after...
The variations are endless, and I guarantee that you will get surprisingly different blood glucose readings from those various tests, over different lengths of time.
There is just so much more to it than a numbers game.
And once we know how to play it, we can eat really well AND stay in ketosis.
Edited repeatedly to add more veg descriptions til I realised that I was just torturing myself. haha!