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What was your fasting blood glucose? (full on chat)

Muddy Cyclist said:
My point is a huge part of the population is like my neighbour, honest decent people who trust professionals and do not question. So for the majority any program that the NHS rolls out will be seen as the correct approach. People have the gift of freewill and make their choices so need alternative options offered to them and of course they are not. I am not sure how or if you will combat this but really admire your efforts and hope you have real success.
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I think that this is very true - which is why doctors should really not be giving people this bad information. @Debandez is doing such a good job at getting the low carb message out there.
 
Just painting. Thinking about my presentation. Think im going to start with subject of sugar. Maybe a joke to get a giggle, but jokes about white sugar are rare. Jokes about brown sugar, well, demerera!!

Back to the drawing board ;-)
 
gennepher said:
The dietician was the worst in really scaring me with his words and manner of all the bad things that would happen to me by not following his conventional advice, he said he was trained and I was not and that LCHF was a fad thing on the Internet and he brought his face within a few inches of mine as he said this. I would call his behaviour abusive. We parted company on not very good terms. No one treats me like that
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@gennepher this made me feel so angry. Actually incandescent with rage. What terrible behaviour and almost beyond belief that anyone could be so wrong. Well done for having nothing more to do with him.
 
jjraak said:
also i hear exercise can raise your BG's before it starts to lower..in case it was after bike ride
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Not a bike ride today, its monsoon season here, Muddy I might be but Drenched is not my cuppa tea.

Good news is eating half a Cauliflower Cheese and bacon only raised my BG by 0.2 and I think there must have been at least 20grams of carbs. Still a lot to learn :(

Oh and thanks @jjraak for your compliment on my art.
 
SaskiaKC said:
Hug, @DJC3 , and thank you. :) Your timing is so good -- last night during the storm I started really weighing up the advantages and disadvantages. Your village sounds very good for y'all. And this city is definitely not good for me. This month I have finally been able to put a good chunk into my moving savings account, and here we are nearly halfway through the month and I haven't had to dip into it yet, so ... we'll see ...
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You’ll get there Saskia, you are a very determined person. Well done for not dipping into the savings so far this month. There always seems to be an unexpected bill or repair that needs doing when I’m trying to save.
 
SaskiaKC said:
Down to 6.2 this morning.

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Love it...and your FBG!!
 
jjraak said:
and me too @DJC3

as i read it that rise up, is not the real issue

i start around 5.5 most meals
i then hit 7.5 +/- after some meals
anything over, then i adapt for next time

but i have not only gone slightly over,,but once or twice crashed straight through into double figures :wideyed::woot::***:
for which i have taken MAJOR note and reversed down asap.

No, the issue is a sustained heightening of your bloods, i believe
anything over 8 mmol. then damage will occur, as i read the link.
( presumably because of the length of time it takes to come back down UNDER 8 mmol )

The length of time is not discussed,

But consider that being in the sun can have short or long term effects
should we never be in the sun or simply avoid long exposure and take better precautions when we are ?

I monitor meter responses, as i think we all do.
Where i go over 8 (nice easy figure) i amend foods accordingly for next time
i rarely start any meal real down like yourself and many others in the 4's or low 5's

so 4-6 5-7. 6.-8 would seem a normal scores i guess,, though i would if was me try to slow down the 6-8.

But when you first start out* HOW do you do that, *** :***:
( *and i include my holiday jaunts where my figs are up against my normal ones, but still in range.)

Hence why the control IS so important.

and that reducing the carbs early on, does as @Debandez quotes via Dr Fung
"empty the sugar bowl inside of us"..a process i think that helps us GET to those levels
(8 mmol and under) quicker.
And where i do agree the ND, has great effect

And while it's pertinent to us, simply having some control reduces our overall risks

Imagine how we would be coping if we all followed that sage advice NOT to test and eat all that we did BEFORE diagnosis, just a little less of it..:arghh::arghh::arghh:

No wonder with those before us having so little choice, that the disease is known as " Progressive "
something i and many on here hope to prove entirely wrong.

As did Jenny Ruhl, the Author

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Lots of good points there JJ especially the one about imagining how we’d be faring if we weren’t monitoring.
I was in hospital for quite a while soon after dx, for an unrelated illness but because my notes said diabetes the HCAs would come and take a bg test at random times in the day. I had no idea then what it should be, but I do remember it was always in double figures - they said it was fine so long as it didn’t go above 16!
 
Muddy Cyclist said:
ARRRGH! My pet dracula has been busy today 5.7 at 6am BUT 2 hours after a 15gram carb usual food breakfast 7.4 so retested in case of error but sadly correct :banghead: no idea why. So feeling fed up on a wet and dull day, back in long trousers, I comfort eat for lunch, half a cauliflower with melted cheese and bacon heaven knows what Dracula will find 2 hours on.

Still I did manage to finish my pastel work of a friends Labrador, always more creative when depressed.

The down side is I was looking for the highest offer on my Caulii in the Cauliflower Shortage thread as it was probably worth its weight in gold :(

My friends lab captured in Pastels
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That is beautiful your friend is very lucky that you did this for him/her.
Btw I had to go to two stores today and cauliflower in both. I am wondering about growing sprouts for Christmas Day.
 
Muddy Cyclist said:
That's very sad! I am lucky all my family and friends have been very supportive, yes there is some humour from my Mountain Biking, Folk Band beer drinking and Choir Cake and wine swilling friends but I can take that. I suppose we have a very active social life being retired and even when going to meals with friends they try and do the low carb meal. It must be very hard if there is little support.

Two of my friends are nurses, we were away with them in France and they really tried to ensure I fed myself properly and took my bloods on time. It became clear they struggled with what T2D is as each evening before bed my BG was 5.3 and they were genuinely concerned I would not make it through the night insisting they would give their patients some carbs before they let them sleep. Of course i ignored them and got through the night with higher BG in the morning which they found very strange. NHS still have a lot to learn.
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It has been hard, but I am now very resolute (to the point of black humour now which shuts people up now).

Hopefully those two nurse friends who were trying to help, questioned a few things afterwards, or were more open to something different.

NHS is failing badly for type 2.
 
PenguinMum said:
Its a very interesting convo about advice to newly diagnosed T2s. I really dont understand why any Dr or Nurse would not be open to new science (well as we know its actually old science) to improve the life of their patient. I wonder if there is such a thing as a Diabetes register (like a big spreadsheet) that tracks pts from dx forwards and records their results and whether med/eatwell/LC or what combo ensued. Surely that would show what works.
@Debandez just realised I am your Dia twin, dxd the same date! @DJC3 hug for the bug glas you got a great FBG. @gennepher cant be easy with that resistance from your folks but not for the first time I admire your strength and self belief.
Great convo All. I also googled “how to reverse diabetes” and found my way here and never looked back. Thanks EVERYONE here on this thread because genuinely your friendship and support sustains me every single day. Take care.
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Thank you very much @PenguinMum for the encouragement
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Bubbsie said:
I do remember that post gennepher I was horrified by his behaviour...the same advice was given to me by my GP at my initial dx who at my first review with him tried to put me on maximum medication despite my BG's coming down from 17.4 to under 8.0 after 12 weeks...I refused & wrote to him after that we discussed LCHF & some of the material I used to decide which diet I should follow in order to manage my diabetes...shortly after he told me he had began to recommend some of that reading material to his newly diagnosed T2 patients...it beggars belief that the trained professionals are so entrenched in their opinion of what's best for us based on their training...not on research & development...pretty typical of my experiences & possibly others at the hands of their health care professionals
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Yes @Bubbsie I still haven't completely got over that day. But it strengthened my resolve to stick to LCHF.
It does seem ridiculous that we are meant to follow advice that needs increased meds, possible loss of feet, possible loss of eyesight, and problems with internal organs, as though it is predetermined that this is the path Type 2's have to take.
 
gennepher said:
Hopefully those two nurse friends who were trying to help, questioned a few things afterwards, or were more open to something different
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Open to something different but not convinced. Sadly their training and the science that they have studied says different. However they are supportive, always bringing me their latest low carb find in efforts to replace my much loved and missed pasta meals, bless them.

Humour is good, I am old school and think it is OK to make humour about most subjects, although I am now more aware of when it might be considered less PC.
 
Muddy Cyclist said:
ARRRGH! My pet dracula has been busy today 5.7 at 6am BUT 2 hours after a 15gram carb usual food breakfast 7.4 so retested in case of error but sadly correct :banghead: no idea why. So feeling fed up on a wet and dull day, back in long trousers, I comfort eat for lunch, half a cauliflower with melted cheese and bacon heaven knows what Dracula will find 2 hours on.

Still I did manage to finish my pastel work of a friends Labrador, always more creative when depressed.

The down side is I was looking for the highest offer on my Caulii in the Cauliflower Shortage thread as it was probably worth its weight in gold :(

My friends lab captured in Pastels
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That is one beautiful dog portrait!
You are very talented.
I agree, I am also more creative when down or depressed!
 
jjraak said:
Mmhh, that's good @Muddy Cyclist ..i'm no artist but i liked it.
well done.:D

Morning BG's probably a mix of food and the inability of some of us to utilise carbs the same at different times of day.

Not noticed for me, but i have others say that they avoid more carbs in the mornings
..but load up a little more at night when they seem to tolerate them better.
( i may have that the wrong way round)
also i hear exercise can raise your BG's before it starts to lower..in case it was after bike ride

But score still in a range i'd be happy with.

Enjoy the day.
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I am absolutely no good with carbs first thing in a morning @jjraak I will spike badly.

But a few hours later I can tolerate some carbs without spiking. But not a slice of bread or anything like that. The carbs have to be part of vegetables or something like that.
 
Muddy Cyclist said:
Open to something different but not convinced. Sadly their training and the science that they have studied says different. However they are supportive, always bringing me their latest low carb find in efforts to replace my much loved and missed pasta meals, bless them.

Humour is good, I am old school and think it is OK to make humour about most subjects, although I am now more aware of when it might be considered less PC.
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Medical training seems to leave medical people stuck in the past when they first learnt. But that is true of a lot of other things too.

There should be refresher courses to keep them up with new studies, new ways of thinking, of opening them up to new possibilities.
 
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