Debandez
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- Type of diabetes
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- Diet only
I think you make some good point @ianpspurs
however i think like @Debandez ..
the shakes diet is just a sticking plaster, a stepping stone..
but as debs points out..to where..?
It seems the reality of a real low carb diet, which most likely requires higher fats, just sticks in their throat.
it's akin to a bodge job on the car to get you home.
it still requires a real repair, to be roadworthy for the next year and years to come.
and can only offer false hope, imho.
i'd worry that the shakes if not followed up by 'something' akin to LCHF, for instance, will i suspect just be a yo-yo diet in many regards.
I think to offer up the idea that 8 weeks cures your ills with regard type 2, is disingenuous and will dilute the real fact that ANY treatment of type 2 requires a lifetime commitment to regulating the sugar intake, be that by LCHF, keto, Veganism or any other dietary protocol.
So glad that as hard as my early days were, they did lead me to here and my choice of LCHF.
a choice they seem most reluctant to offer others for some reason.
Hope your day treats you well
best wishes for Thursday.
I'm sure the whole world knows now but when I was diagnosed I was offered metformin. No alternative. My DN just drew me (I still have it, see attached) my very own eatwell plate to ensure I knew what to eat as a diabetic. Very little fat but lots of starchy carbs. I asked for 3 months to see if I could bring down my hba1c. 62 on dx. 8th dec 17. By Feb it was 47 and May 41. Went lower after that. How did I do it? By using Google. I input 'reversing diabetes '. 1st site was DCUK (still is, just done it).
When I went back armed with lots if ammo asking my DN what she thought she said this 'not one person has done what you have done'. I said 'what, all this research?' No she said. Bring down hba1c. This was later confirmed when I sent email to Practice manager asking for stats following my dr saying to me I could have done this with low cal like it was a regular occurrence. She contacted all 3 x DNs (we are 2 big practices, one in the heart of Blackpool). ***Only bariatric pts have done this*** was their reply. I still have the email. So for me it worked well. And as far as I'm concerned it should be offered as an option. But not to allow pts a choice when the science is out there is shocking and I will battle to do my little bit to change things. Education is key. HCPs need it, pts need it. But I still agree there are other ways.
I think you make some good point @ianpspurs
however i think like @Debandez ..
the shakes diet is just a sticking plaster, a stepping stone..
but as debs points out..to where..?
It seems the reality of a real low carb diet, which most likely requires higher fats, just sticks in their throat.
it's akin to a bodge job on the car to get you home.
it still requires a real repair, to be roadworthy for the next year and years to come.
and can only offer false hope, imho.
i'd worry that the shakes if not followed up by 'something' akin to LCHF, for instance, will i suspect just be a yo-yo diet in many regards.
I think to offer up the idea that 8 weeks cures your ills with regard type 2, is disingenuous and will dilute the real fact that ANY treatment of type 2 requires a lifetime commitment to regulating the sugar intake, be that by LCHF, keto, Veganism or any other dietary protocol.
So glad that as hard as my early days were, they did lead me to here and my choice of LCHF.
a choice they seem most reluctant to offer others for some reason.
Hope your day treats you well
best wishes for Thursday.