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COVID 2019 Comorbidity with Diabetes

Brunneria said:
I've been following what is happening in India.
It makes me very, very, grateful to be in the UK at the moment.

This is a good overview,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-52222906

The day the lockdown was announced, 50,000 migrant workers were kicked out of their accommodation in Delhi (so just one town amongst many), and descended on the city bus station to try to travel back to their villages.
But the buses had been cancelled.
So they had to start walking, for days, with all their possessions on their backs.

These pictures best which communicate the scale of what happened.
https://gulfnews.com/photos/news/in...id-covid-19-lockdown-1.1585394226024?slide=10

the first article above provides links to this NY Times article discussing Lockdown exit strategies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/opinion/coronavirus-end-social-distancing.html
Looks like we will all be in the same boat, across the planet.
I see China is reporting 99 new cases today, despite their various measures to keep things under control
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The problem is once this virus multiplies across the planet, surely it makes the possibility of a less manageable mutation developing more possible. The third world needs help, but we cannot fully help ourselves.
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HSSS said:
And I sort of agree with you. I too am concerned with how many extra people are dying (that wouldn’t have otherwise) rather than labels of how we arrived at the pearly gates. That is not to say this is “just flu” but to keep the most accurate rather than sensationalist view of what’s occurring.

And I do think a lot of extra people are losing their lives. I’m scared, I think it’s a lot more than flu - even if purely down to the condensed time period, but I also think the media are selling in the business of selling stories. Hence my interest in maximising my health along with seeking the clearest unbiased accurate data that clearly identifies what it is stating and what it is not.
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then we agree.

as @Winnie53 fine posts i upped my Vit C, i take a little zinc as advised by a chemist friend and Vit D

will it save me if it comes ?..who knows.. but it offers a little reassurance that i am doing as much as possible.

i also upped my ginger tea, has helped with my asthma,
more the hope to keep me in tip top condition, rather then stop covid,
the idea, to best give me a shot, if i did get it..

interesting side note, if anecdotal

wife's
cousins husband got covid.
various illnesses T2D and strangely sleep apnea.
test as positive, self isolated at home.
has now recovered , no one else infected,
thing was he says the sleep apnea actually helped him as he has an oxygen mask at home and praises that as being of huge
benefit

it's essentially a CPAP machine, so offered a big advantage he felt
 
jjraak said:
then we agree.

as @Winnie53 fine posts i upped my Vit C, i take a little zinc as advised by a chemist friend and Vit D

will it save me if it comes ?..who knows.. but it offers a little reassurance that i am doing as much as possible.

i also upped my ginger tea, has helped with my asthma,
more the hope to keep me in tip top condition, rather then stop covid,
the idea, to best give me a shot, if i did get it..

interesting side note, if anecdotal

wife's
cousins husband got covid.
various illnesses T2D and strangely sleep apnea.
test as positive, self isolated at home.
has now recovered , no one else infected,
thing

as @Winnie53 fine posts i upped my Vit C, i take a little zinc as advised by a chemist friend and Vit D

will it save me if it comes ?..who knows.. but it offers a little reassurance that i am doing as much as possible.

i also upped my ginger tea, has helped with my asthma,
more the hope to keep me in tip top condition, rather then stop covid,
the idea, to best give me a shot, if i did get it..

interesting side note, if anecdotal

wife's
cousins husband got covid.
various illnesses T2D and strangely sleep apnea.
test as positive, self isolated at home.
has now recovered , no one else infected,
thing was he says the sleep apnea actually helped him as he has an oxygen mask at home and praises that as being of huge
benefit

it's essentially a CPAP machine, so offered a big advantage he felt[/QUOTE
jjraak said:
then we agree.

as @Winnie53 fine posts i upped my Vit C, i take a little zinc as advised by a chemist friend and Vit D

will it save me if it comes ?..who knows.. but it offers a little reassurance that i am doing as much as possible.

i also upped my ginger tea, has helped with my asthma,
more the hope to keep me in tip top condition, rather then stop covid,
the idea, to best give me a shot, if i did get it..

interesting side note, if anecdotal

wife's
cousins husband got covid.
various illnesses T2D and strangely sleep apnea.
test as positive, self isolated at home.
has now recovered , no one else infected,
thing was he says the sleep apnea actually helped him as he has an oxygen mask at home and praises that as being of huge
benefit

it's essentially a CPAP machine, so offered a big advantage he felt
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]have been on vitamin c and vit d for sometime, very prudent move jjraak.
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A very prudent move.D
 
Police appeal to locals to comply with COVID-19 restrictions

Senior Community Crime Prevention Officer Sue Rewald on Apr 2, 2020 @ 11:25am

Bundaberg Police are appealing to the community to follow the home confinement direction currently in place due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

This directive applies to all residents of Queensland and not just the metropolitan areas.
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Some of you may find this of interest, from our local police website.

They have the rules laid out and break them, and they will break your wallet if you do not comply.

https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/bundabe...-locals-to-comply-with-covid-19-restrictions/
 
Some seem to feel there are probably no more deaths than normal?

I doubt the medics in intensive care think this or those who organise cremations believe its no different, or the families of those who have died who were medics. .

Don't forget the considerable drop in traffic will have reduced the lives lost in traffic accidents or the injured in intensive care.

My gut feeling is this is getting horrific and pray the politicians will gain more wisdom.
 
We are also at the end of flu season, which could maybe have caused more non-coronavirus deaths. I cant find the article which said that the numbers are those who would not have died (except from old age over the next 12 months perhaps) unless they had contracted coronavirus. The numbers are extra deaths, just as the Winter hypothermia numbers are extra or early deaths of those who had a good chance of being alive if they hadnt become hypothermic.

I cant grasp why there would be a global hoax of the whole world deciding to create a pandemic scenario based on the manipulation of normal death numbers.
 
jjraak said:
sheltering in place Winnie as the US call it.

we are doing OK.
taking precautions, running food to the wife's father.
trying to stay occupied

horrified at how we are managing this
our Royal college of nursing, repugnant as they are

have told nurses they have the right to NOT treat patients if they don't have the appropriate PPE

We KNOW they will still treat patients because of who they are
BUT HOW ON EARTH did we EVER get to a situation like this, with such a winning team :rolleyes:

I think you are right to ignore the top tier,
they seem so removed and out of touch.

Had a BBC post saying that PPE was offered by a consortium of manufacturers, last month y
et no one has got back to them a month later.
so little urgency all round...needs a good shake up i think.

I have watched new york, ,,Cuomo VERY impressive.
a tweet from a guy i spoke to in Seattle seemed very happy with the response,
so i suppose it does seem patchy, but my lesson from having watched Wuhan, Italy, Europe, and now sadly the UK

is prepare, prepare, prepare....as much as possible.
don't waste a minute.

what was normal last isn't thi week,
and whats normal this week isn't normal next week.

as a state as a street, as a family .
stick up those med's you might need IF you can still get them.
food here, is good in London, patchy elsewhere.

online now being designated for the unable, the able are being asked to go to supermarkets
to save the slots for those who can't..but sure many ignore this,
elderly now feeling threatened in queues designated for them.

So not great, but we prepped so pretty ok, could get a a lot mire ugly yet

huge numbers where out and about, despite lockdown..a delicate balance needs to be made there

But the lockdown ratchets up a little bit each up tick (what an awful word for dead people )
of the numbers.

How is things over there ?
i always enjoy your more informative posts, but sometimes especially in situations like this, it;s nice to hear the more personal
things.

Our street, god bless them..looks out for each other, and one family perform a 3 song concert each night .
it's not the best music, but my god i love them for it...it's touching and beautiful at times.
had to choke back for a moment when they played a song request for Liverpool fan.

had NO idea how hard that could hit during this crisis, now rapidly becoming a catastrophe.


stay well
stay safe.
stay brave.
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What a beautiful song to honor the hospital workers across Europe jjraak.

Just got off the phone with my mom. She lives 100 miles north of NYC. Her boyfriend's daughter is shopping for them, so they're being well cared for and are in good spirits. It's a beautiful, sunny day here. Going to get a walk in before the sun goes down. Before I got on here I looked at the local projected numbers for our county. They're thinking we won't hit our peak until August 28th. I don't know why, but I keep thinking the cases are going to begin leveling out soon. I realize now that's not going to happen. Flu season will resume in October or November. As one of my co-worker's said recently, "One hour at a time." Glad to hear you and yours are doing fine. We are too.
 
lindisfel said:
Some seem to feel there are probably no more deaths than normal?
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Not necessarily. Some just think that consideration of all data is important in order to gauge what is actually happening vs. what the papers say is happening. The two may align or they may not, but personally I don't trust any statistics as far as I can throw them until all available data (and impacts of missing data) have been rationally analysed in context. The curse of the engineer :pompous:
 
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Goonergal said:
I found Dr Malcolm Kendrick’s piece very interesting - look and read beyond the headline!

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/12/the-lockdown-is-not-a-way-of-beating-this-virus/
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Epidemiologists were writing back in January about this virus becoming endemic in the wider community. It is clear that even if we are successful in stamping it out here it will be impossible to stop in central Africa (where incidentally there are new Ebola cases also) and India.

So unless we keep our borders closed for ever (not that we've actually closed them here) then we (the human race) will always have a problem.

The initial strategy was not to contain the virus though, it was to let it spread throughout the population. This was stated in early press briefings by Patrick Vallance, and is clear from documents that The Guardian newspaper has, (although the government still denies it.)
 
lindisfel said:
Looks like we should not expect to live beyond 80 after 2020!
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I can remember when living beyond 80 was considered a very rare and astonishing thing, and only a relatively few people lasted that long. And that is only a few decades ago. With the age of death having started to fall in the UK anyway over the past few years, not living over 80 is normal lifespan for most regardless of covid19
 
I’m reading more and more articles and anecdotal pieces about covid not being a respiratory disease at all but one that inhibits haemoglobin from working and transporting oxygen to organs eg this one that whilst is not scientific explains the hypothesis well http://web.archive.org/web/20200405...ht-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb. It would explain why vit c infusions and blood transfusions (from recovered patients) and why death rates on ventilators are so much higher than for other respiratory conditions.
I’ve just explained this to Mr HSSS requesting that he makes a lot of loud noise asking to try blood and vit c infusions before they resort to ventilation if he or I end up in hospital.
 
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HSSS said:
I’m reading more and more articles and anecdotal pieces about covid not being a respiratory disease at all but one that inhibits haemoglobin from working and transporting oxygen to organs. eg this one that whilst is. Ot scientific explains the hypothesis well http://web.archive.org/web/20200405...ht-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb. It would explain why vit c infusions and blood transfusions (from recovered patients) and why death rates on ventilators are so much higher than for other respiratory conditions.
I’ve just explained this to Mr HSSS requesting that he makes a lot of loud noise asking to try blood and vit c infusions before they resort to ventilation if he or I end up in hospital.
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given the graphic accounts of fluid filled lungs etc, what other articles have you seen to substantiate this idea of it not being a respiratory disease?
 
lindisfel said:
Looks like we should not expect to live beyond 80 after 2020!
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Although the majority of those who die are in the older age-groups, the majority of 80+ year-olds infected with coronavirus do not die from it. The death rate for this group is quoted as 14.8% here:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ or around 9% here:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51674743

The death rate among younger age groups is lower so the proportion of those dying who are in an older age group is higher.
 
HSSS said:
I’m reading more and more articles and anecdotal pieces about covid not being a respiratory disease at all but one that inhibits haemoglobin from working and transporting oxygen to organs. eg this one that whilst is. Ot scientific explains the hypothesis well http://web.archive.org/web/20200405...ht-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb. It would explain why vit c infusions and blood transfusions (from recovered patients) and why death rates on ventilators are so much higher than for other respiratory conditions.
I’ve just explained this to Mr HSSS requesting that he makes a lot of loud noise asking to try blood and vit c infusions before they resort to ventilation if he or I end up in hospital.
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I'd like it to be true but I am becoming increasingly wary of certain articles which almost sound like 'Trump was right!' proclamations.

If it's true we will no doubt see it more widely accepted by the medical community soon.

Who (or what) is Liberty Ravenstock?
 
urbanracer said:
Epidemiologists were writing back in January about this virus becoming endemic in the wider community. It is clear that even if we are successful in stamping it out here it will be impossible to stop in central Africa (where incidentally there are new Ebola cases also) and India.

So unless we keep our borders closed for ever (not that we've actually closed them here) then we (the human race) will always have a problem.

The initial strategy was not to contain the virus though, it was to let it spread throughout the population. This was stated in early press briefings by Patrick Vallance, and is clear from documents that The Guardian newspaper has, (although the government still denies it.)
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yeah, have to agree it was only the OMG that stopped it in it's tracks and we still are having to accept it in some form.
as it is if managed the only practical solution long term

nice post @Goonergal

not much new in there tbf for those keeping up to speed as you have
as have many others,
but good for those wondering just where we are headed.


and that to my mind leads on to a conversation me and the wife had.

the exit strategy.
it has to be, based on the above, a return to 'near normal' and managing the next waves/peaks.

with the better possibility, the care teams can offer the best assistance,
not be too overwhelmed AND the prayer that better drug regimes the re-purposing of other current meds such as the anti malaria for instance.

the issue then becomes testing and the lock down.

while we all lock down as a villages, towns, cities.

we perhaps do ourselves a disservice, by not ratcheting up a bit more.
civil liberties WILL have to be curtailed, in the short term anyway,
( as they are now,)

if we are to successfully navigate the road back to 'normality; whatever shape that takes.
The more restricted movement, now, assists us all later on.

Because once we open up, we NEED to be able to identify and locate hot spots.
asap, and just as in track and trace being used successfully in other countries.

Tightening up the lock down benefits us all immensely,
and keeping us more localised in our travels now,
helps us all in getting back to whatever our 'new' normal will be,
we need that ability, to narrow down WHERE an infection came from.

if it's just one household as now, that is possible,... a street, perhaps ...an area, ok if we have to,

But a full return to lock down for towns and cities, ?
that is not really practical, again and again.

And once we open up the testing regimes needs to be much more robust and fit for purpose
at the levels Germany and S Korea are doing.
we will have many more going to work and moving around then, and the better we prepare now,
the better prepared we are then

The rest of the world may be doing better at this, IF we don't adopt best practices.

And we will be crippling ourselves unnecessarily, as we lock down repeatedly if others open up and begin functioning ,
without facing the same issues.

The exit strategy while not something they are really discussing with us openly,
i would hope to god they are discussing it behind closed doors.
and it needs to have that element of restrictive movement NOW, to allow us to prosper THEN.
imho.
 
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