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Noticed that @Goonergal mentioned dieting a la Ted Naiman and as I was thinking trying it out for myself too may as well start a thread on it.
Thanks for video I've started to follow him on twitter as was trying to work out his WOE as saw some information by Dr Andreas Eenfedt from diet doctor saying he had started to try out the PE diet so will have a listen. Impressive results well doneThanks for the tag @bulkbiker
I think @Mbaker is an advocate of this too and I’ll also tag @DJC3 as she’s also interested.
I’d steadily put on weight (all around the middle) for 18 months (lockdown did not help) and several attempts to change it hadn’t worked. Started experimenting with this after listening to a video on dietdoctor: https://www.dietdoctor.com/video/interviews/naiman-lcc2018 (think you may need to be a full member to see this, in which case the other one linked at the end of this post is similar).
@MrsA2 - short summary is eat real foods, prioritise protein over fat, remove or limit added ‘refined’ fats (butter, cream etc). PE stands for Protein-Energy, with the idea being that the higher the protein to energy ratio, the better for preserving/developing muscle mass and decreasing body fat.
The PE ratio is calculated by dividing the total grams of protein in a food stuff by the sum of the total grams of carbs plus fat. A ratio of 1 is recommended for maintenance (steak and eggs is his simple example) and above that for fat loss.
See the attached pics - his graphics - for a very simple summary. He does also recommend short, intense, resistance exercise.
Been giving this a whirl since the start of March, in a broad brush sort of way - i.e not macro tracking, rather eating more of the foods that have a PE ratio above 1 (and ideally 1.5 or higher) and less of those with a ratio below 1 - and omitting those below 0.6. For this purpose I’ve drawn up a spreadsheet of things I regularly eat, plus a few I’ve bought to try and calculated the PE ratio.
I haven’t been doing the resistance exercises, and not even my usual walking as I’ve been under the weather for some time (plan to add them when I can). I’ve also not been weighing (do that once a month now) as this is more about body composition. However, my body shape has noticeably changed over the month - more shape around the waist; clothes looser, that sort of thing. It has also just clicked that when weighed at a hospital appointment yesterday, with more clothes than when I weigh at home, I was more than a full kilo lighter than last time I weighed at home. Enjoying the way of eating too.
I have the kindle version of his book (the hardcover one is eye wateringly expensive) and it’s clear and well written, but not essential for grasping the concepts.
Video below, plus some screenshots from my spreadsheet which shows how small changes make a difference to PE ratio.
edited for typo
Is this the Atkin's diet?Thanks for the tag @bulkbiker
I think @Mbaker is an advocate of this too and I’ll also tag @DJC3 as she’s also interested.
I’d steadily put on weight (all around the middle) for 18 months (lockdown did not help) and several attempts to change it hadn’t worked. Started experimenting with this after listening to a video on dietdoctor: https://www.dietdoctor.com/video/interviews/naiman-lcc2018 (think you may need to be a full member to see this, in which case the other one linked at the end of this post is similar).
@MrsA2 - short summary is eat real foods, prioritise protein over fat, remove or limit added ‘refined’ fats (butter, cream etc). PE stands for Protein-Energy, with the idea being that the higher the protein to energy ratio, the better for preserving/developing muscle mass and decreasing body fat.
The PE ratio is calculated by dividing the total grams of protein in a food stuff by the sum of the total grams of carbs plus fat. A ratio of 1 is recommended for maintenance (steak and eggs is his simple example) and above that for fat loss.
See the attached pics - his graphics - for a very simple summary. He does also recommend short, intense, resistance exercise.
Been giving this a whirl since the start of March, in a broad brush sort of way - i.e not macro tracking, rather eating more of the foods that have a PE ratio above 1 (and ideally 1.5 or higher) and less of those with a ratio below 1 - and omitting those below 0.6. For this purpose I’ve drawn up a spreadsheet of things I regularly eat, plus a few I’ve bought to try and calculated the PE ratio.
I haven’t been doing the resistance exercises, and not even my usual walking as I’ve been under the weather for some time (plan to add them when I can). I’ve also not been weighing (do that once a month now) as this is more about body composition. However, my body shape has noticeably changed over the month - more shape around the waist; clothes looser, that sort of thing. It has also just clicked that when weighed at a hospital appointment yesterday, with more clothes than when I weigh at home, I was more than a full kilo lighter than last time I weighed at home. Enjoying the way of eating too.
I have the kindle version of his book (the hardcover one is eye wateringly expensive) and it’s clear and well written, but not essential for grasping the concepts.
Video below, plus some screenshots from my spreadsheet which shows how small changes make a difference to PE ratio.
edited for typo
In a nutshell it is based on prioritising protein over fat whilst still severely limiting carbs.Is this the Atkin's diet?
Where I personally have a problem with Ted Naiman's approach is that he appears to favour carbs over fats
It is worth ago, Diet Doctor are going higher protein. I had my suspicions due to comments Bret Scher has said regarding setting protein at 30% of calories in a couple of his last videos.Thanks for the tag @bulkbiker
I think @Mbaker is an advocate of this too and I’ll also tag @DJC3 as she’s also interested.
I’d steadily put on weight (all around the middle) for 18 months (lockdown did not help) and several attempts to change it hadn’t worked. Started experimenting with this after listening to a video on dietdoctor: https://www.dietdoctor.com/video/interviews/naiman-lcc2018 (think you may need to be a full member to see this, in which case the other one linked at the end of this post is similar).
@MrsA2 - short summary is eat real foods, prioritise protein over fat, remove or limit added ‘refined’ fats (butter, cream etc). PE stands for Protein-Energy, with the idea being that the higher the protein to energy ratio, the better for preserving/developing muscle mass and decreasing body fat.
The PE ratio is calculated by dividing the total grams of protein in a food stuff by the sum of the total grams of carbs plus fat. A ratio of 1 is recommended for maintenance (steak and eggs is his simple example) and above that for fat loss.
See the attached pics - his graphics - for a very simple summary. He does also recommend short, intense, resistance exercise.
Been giving this a whirl since the start of March, in a broad brush sort of way - i.e not macro tracking, rather eating more of the foods that have a PE ratio above 1 (and ideally 1.5 or higher) and less of those with a ratio below 1 - and omitting those below 0.6. For this purpose I’ve drawn up a spreadsheet of things I regularly eat, plus a few I’ve bought to try and calculated the PE ratio.
I haven’t been doing the resistance exercises, and not even my usual walking as I’ve been under the weather for some time (plan to add them when I can). I’ve also not been weighing (do that once a month now) as this is more about body composition. However, my body shape has noticeably changed over the month - more shape around the waist; clothes looser, that sort of thing. It has also just clicked that when weighed at a hospital appointment yesterday, with more clothes than when I weigh at home, I was more than a full kilo lighter than last time I weighed at home. Enjoying the way of eating too.
I have the kindle version of his book (the hardcover one is eye wateringly expensive) and it’s clear and well written, but not essential for grasping the concepts.
Video below, plus some screenshots from my spreadsheet which shows how small changes make a difference to PE ratio.
edited for typo
It is worth ago, Diet Doctor are going higher protein. I had my suspicions due to comments Bret Scher has said regarding setting protein at 30% of calories in a couple of his last videos.
This appears confirmed by the boss man.
https://twitter.com/DrEenfeldt/status/1368967924938051589?s=20
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I agree, that's what I have done is tweak Ketocarnivore. My second course platter I pushed out the berries for sardines, alongside, nuts and home made seed crackers with cheese - main meal was a Keto Chicken Tagine.I still think its more of a "tweak" rather than a replacement for a well formulated keto diet and intermittent fasting.
I've crossed swords with Ted a few times on twitter about some of the things he has said, think we're about even at the moment.
Thank you for posting this information. Just a quick question - do they mention anywhere if it is OK to use whey protein as I am definitely eating far to little protein and using it would help me boost my levels really easily.Thanks for the tag @bulkbiker
I think @Mbaker is an advocate of this too and I’ll also tag @DJC3 as she’s also interested.
I’d steadily put on weight (all around the middle) for 18 months (lockdown did not help) and several attempts to change it hadn’t worked. Started experimenting with this after listening to a video on dietdoctor: https://www.dietdoctor.com/video/interviews/naiman-lcc2018 (think you may need to be a full member to see this, in which case the other one linked at the end of this post is similar).
@MrsA2 - short summary is eat real foods, prioritise protein over fat, remove or limit added ‘refined’ fats (butter, cream etc). PE stands for Protein-Energy, with the idea being that the higher the protein to energy ratio, the better for preserving/developing muscle mass and decreasing body fat.
The PE ratio is calculated by dividing the total grams of protein in a food stuff by the sum of the total grams of carbs plus fat. A ratio of 1 is recommended for maintenance (steak and eggs is his simple example) and above that for fat loss.
See the attached pics - his graphics - for a very simple summary. He does also recommend short, intense, resistance exercise.
Been giving this a whirl since the start of March, in a broad brush sort of way - i.e not macro tracking, rather eating more of the foods that have a PE ratio above 1 (and ideally 1.5 or higher) and less of those with a ratio below 1 - and omitting those below 0.6. For this purpose I’ve drawn up a spreadsheet of things I regularly eat, plus a few I’ve bought to try and calculated the PE ratio.
I haven’t been doing the resistance exercises, and not even my usual walking as I’ve been under the weather for some time (plan to add them when I can). I’ve also not been weighing (do that once a month now) as this is more about body composition. However, my body shape has noticeably changed over the month - more shape around the waist; clothes looser, that sort of thing. It has also just clicked that when weighed at a hospital appointment yesterday, with more clothes than when I weigh at home, I was more than a full kilo lighter than last time I weighed at home. Enjoying the way of eating too.
I have the kindle version of his book (the hardcover one is eye wateringly expensive) and it’s clear and well written, but not essential for grasping the concepts.
Video below, plus some screenshots from my spreadsheet which shows how small changes make a difference to PE ratio.
edited for typo
Thank you for posting this information. Just a quick question - do they mention anywhere if it is OK to use whey protein as I am definitely eating far to little protein and using it would help me boost my levels really easily.
Thank you for posting this information. Just a quick question - do they mention anywhere if it is OK to use whey protein as I am definitely eating far to little protein and using it would help me boost my levels really easily.
Thank you. Will look at egg whites - I hadn't thought of that.Prefer whole food, but whey or casein protein is fine. Whey can raise BG levels a tad, so test it. Recently I’ve been making smoothies from egg whites, I buy it by the carton