Can You Ignore This...I Couldn't

[lucylocket61]

The potential, yes, the trigger -no. We inherit a possible weakness that something uses to activate the diabetes condition. They have not identified any common gene mutation that would explain T2D. Most of my antecedants died of feebleness or gout or heart failure, and diabetes only surfaces in my mother who was T1D. There is more madnesss in my line than diabetes (which has been known about since the middle ages)

I am going to disagree and leave it there. Sometimes I can't cope with dogmatic insistence that I am wrong because I can't quote papers on the subject. I know my family's lived experience, and that of others.

You can't say there is no genetic trigger as the research hasn't proved anything. Claiming that diabetes has been around since the middle ages is nothing to do with type 2 in younger people.

Testing is a recent thing. We simply don't know how many type 2 diabetics existed but were not recognised or diagnosed in their middle years or younger.

Not identifying a trigger doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There is so much we don't know. Anecdata is important and should be respected.

 

[Oldvatr]

I am going to disagree and leave it there. Sometimes I can't cope with dogmatic insistence that I am wrong because I can't quote papers on the subject. I know my family's lived experience, and that of others.

You can't say there is no genetic trigger as the research hasn't proved anything. Claiming that diabetes has been around since the middle ages is nothing to do with type 2 in younger people.

Testing is a recent thing. We simply don't know how many type 2 diabetics existed but were not recognised or diagnosed in their middle years or younger.

Not identifying a trigger doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There is so much we don't know. Anecdata is important and should be respected.

The history of diabetes started in approximately 1550BC. An Egyptian papyrus mentions a rare disease that causes the patient to lose weight rapidly and urinate frequently.

The history of diabetes started in approximately 1550BC. An Egyptian papyrus mentions a rare disease that causes the patient to lose weight rapidly and urinate frequently.

www.diabetes.co.uk

Also from the ADA

Genetics of Diabetes | American Diabetes Association

Get valuable insights into the genetic factors behind diabetes and find answers to your questions. Explore more resources on diabetes genetics.

diabetes.org

 

[Zhnyaka]

So diabetes was a rare condition

I doubt that the incidence of diabetes was much less. My grandfather's sister died at the age of 17 "from no one knows what, there was not even a temperature," but according to the description of the symptoms, it looks like diabetes. It's just that earlier people did not survive with such a diagnosis and could not leave offspring. The very fact that we can have children multiplies the number of cases of diabetes in the population. With diabetes in the mother, the pancreas of the child tries to work for two during pregnancy and immediately after birth, such children often fell into a hypoglycemic coma and did not have time to save them, and now this is an ordinary problem that practically does not lead to infant mortality. But even if our children do not inherit diabetes, the risk of this disease greatly increases in our descendants, because we pass them a genome with such a severe breakdown. Even if you take the risk of inheritance at 1%, it seems like a small number, but imagine that every hundredth person is diabetic, that's a lot, isn't it? And the next generations of people will have diabetes even more often, unfortunately, because of us

 

[Zhnyaka]

The history of diabetes started in approximately 1550BC. An Egyptian papyrus mentions a rare disease that causes the patient to lose weight rapidly and urinate frequently.

The history of diabetes started in approximately 1550BC. An Egyptian papyrus mentions a rare disease that causes the patient to lose weight rapidly and urinate frequently.

www.diabetes.co.uk

Also from the ADA

Genetics of Diabetes | American Diabetes Association

Get valuable insights into the genetic factors behind diabetes and find answers to your questions. Explore more resources on diabetes genetics.

diabetes.org

"If you are a woman with type 1 diabetes and your child was born before you were 25, your child's risk is 1 in 25; if your child was born after you turned 25, your child's risk is 1 in 100."
wow! How interesting! I've always been told that if I want a to have a baby (but I don't want), I have to give birth before 25...

 

[Zhnyaka]

I have to give birth before 25...

Although it is logical that I was told this not because of the risk to the child, but because of the risk of complications for me

 

[Goonergal]

I doubt that the incidence of diabetes was much less.

Type 2, which accounts for about 90% of diabetes was significantly less. Dr David Unwin reports an eightfold increase in three decades in his GP practice: https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/early/2020/11/02/bmjnph-2020-000072

This is an interesting article on the prevalence of type 1: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(22)00218-2/fulltext

 

[Oldvatr]

I doubt that the incidence of diabetes was much less. My grandfather's sister died at the age of 17 "from no one knows what, there was not even a temperature," but according to the description of the symptoms, it looks like diabetes. It's just that earlier people did not survive with such a diagnosis and could not leave offspring. The very fact that we can have children multiplies the number of cases of diabetes in the population. With diabetes in the mother, the pancreas of the child tries to work for two during pregnancy and immediately after birth, such children often fell into a hypoglycemic coma and did not have time to save them, and now this is an ordinary problem that practically does not lead to infant mortality. But even if our children do not inherit diabetes, the risk of this disease greatly increases in our descendants, because we pass them a genome with such a severe breakdown. Even if you take the risk of inheritance at 1%, it seems like a small number, but imagine that every hundredth person is diabetic, that's a lot, isn't it? And the next generations of people will have diabetes even more often, unfortunately, because of us

You appear to be describing Type 1 events here, and as far as i am aware, the incidence of Type 1 is increasing at a natural rate. It is T2D that is expanding exponentially, at an unnatural rate that is not explained by genetics or inheritance.

 

[Daphne917]

my paternal grandmother, my father, myself and my brother are/were all type 2 diabetics. All got it around the age of 48-50 years old. Its not lifestyle, I barely knew my father and didnt know my paternal grandmother at all. I know several people who got type 2 in family clusters, around similar ages. I believe the potential to trigger type 2 can have a genetic component.

I’m the same as my maternal grandfather, mother and younger brother are/were T2 diabetics. In fact when I was diagnosed my GP told me it was no surprise due to the family connection

 

[Grant_Vicat]

I have always been interested in the inheritancy factor. Many members on both sides of my family had auto-immune problems between 1879 and the present day. I have been the only one diagnosed with Type 1. I therefore think the tendency of my inherited immune system to attack my body certainly caused a predisposition, even if trauma or a virus lit the fuse. I see no reason why Type 2 cannot have a similar genetic tendency. Throughout my time looking for my personal trigger, I suggested to medics that serious trauma at 11 months caused it. I was effectively ridiculed. Yet in more recent times this has become an idea that has become acceptable. Type 2 has had a long history of being put down to overeating and that idea is still, unfairly, with us. One of the things that has made a difference is that rationing from 1939 - 1955 (effectively) would have been a natural "gastric band". The 1960s must have been a food paradise to that generation. I am able to say that in a class of 16 boys in 1963, 4 would be classed as obese now. It is not a modern phenomenon, just more discussed.
Having carefully followed a carb-counting diet since 1966, I am amazed that all these state produced declarations advising us about what we should not be eating, nothing has been said about portion sizes. For example, I always ask for a small portion of chips. In the majority of cases there has been literally half a day's suggested carb allowance for an adult. Understandably the public are generally unaware of this and similar data about other popular ready meals, such as pizza. If individuals with a tendency to Type 2 are being unwittingly assaulted by vast amounts of carbs, it is hardly surprising to me that numbers have greatly increased since 1945.

 

[njaynemarie]

How do you manage the pain at the bottom of my foot

 

[Antje77]

How do you manage the pain at the bottom of my foot

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[Jaded Judi]

I find what you say very interesting. I was overweight and grew up in the 60s and 70s when fat was thought to be the bad thing. I guess I consumed a lot of terrible highly processed foods without knowing it, although we did cook our own meals and don't use much processed foods now. I have always eaten fresh fruit and vegetables but was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 2014. I lost 3 stone and managed to keep my blood sugars down for a while. I have also been diagnosed with Exocrine pancreatic insufficiency in 2016 so am not sure which came first as that was harder to diagnose. I take enzymes with every meal to help me digest fats and do have tummy problems. I have an iffy pancreas and have been told to try to eat less carbs (which I am trying to do) and have been eating a predominantly mediterranean style diet for a few years now. I have the threat of taking insulin to reduce my blood sugars and am worried about that, and putting on more weight etc. Any suggestions greatly received. I am happy to try eating less carbs but can't eat too much fat to compensate so don't want to feel hungry all the time. I am complicated!!! Help!

 

[Angela64]

Baby weaning food needs looking at, too. Stuffed with dodgy ingredients.

Way back in the day, GPs told mothers with new babies that human breast milk wasn't good enough for babies (!!!!!) and to use a certain brand of milk powder specially designed for them instead. This brand was full of powdered wheat. I do wonder if so many wheat allergies stem from those days, and also if a tendency to gain too much weight in adults could sometimes be traced to that. I have no idea if this is still the case with powdered milk.

Unsurprisingly, there was a financial incentive in those times for GPs to persuade mothers to change from breastfeeding to powdered milk formula. Nothing new under the sun.

My youngest sister was weaned on baby milk and was really fat for a baby and when she sees her photos can’t believe it

 

[Angela64]

I find what you say very interesting. I was overweight and grew up in the 60s and 70s when fat was thought to be the bad thing. I guess I consumed a lot of terrible highly processed foods without knowing it, although we did cook our own meals and don't use much processed foods now. I have always eaten fresh fruit and vegetables but was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 2014. I lost 3 stone and managed to keep my blood sugars down for a while. I have also been diagnosed with Exocrine pancreatic insufficiency in 2016 so am not sure which came first as that was harder to diagnose. I take enzymes with every meal to help me digest fats and do have tummy problems. I have an iffy pancreas and have been told to try to eat less carbs (which I am trying to do) and have been eating a predominantly mediterranean style diet for a few years now. I have the threat of taking insulin to reduce my blood sugars and am worried about that, and putting on more weight etc. Any suggestions greatly received. I am happy to try eating less carbs but can't eat too much fat to compensate so don't want to feel hungry all the time. I am complicated!!! Help!

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