One year on from more fat

[donnellysdogs]

I remember Olive stoned ....

If I could triple like that I would!!!

 

[JTL]

If I could triple like that I would!!!

Thing is I really do!!
I had a misspent youth ....

 

[Scandichic]

It was only early last year when I realised that I was a low carber or my life as I had thought I was just a moderate eater. I had previously put down chronic pains in my legs and hips due to statins and had tried every statin all with same pains that would start again.

So, when analysing My foods I realised that the majority of my fat only came from my copious coffees with semi skimmed milk.

I added more fat in to our diet and my hubby cut his carbs. I initially lost 10lb that I didn't need to lose and my hubby has lost 3stone last year with a stone previous year by just doing more exercise.

First 6 months my cholesterol stayed the same. Hubbys went down. Including the breakdown of all- everything was improved for hubby. Mine, no different.

One year on both our cholesterols have shot up. Now I haven't got a clue what to do.

For the last year we ate more eggs..we had more fish (i never ate fish before), we had cheese (not everyday but between 5-7 thin slices if we wanted to) and a creamy coffee every night and full fat milk and coconut oil.
Our dinners are always salad or veg and rarely puddings. We don't eat potatoes, pasta or rice. We don't have bread..(me never)

I thought hubbys had raised last week when he got his results back because he'd had a few sandwichs at work from mid Dec til now.

Then yesterday I got my results. They stupidly only tested total and triglicerides on mine. My trig results gone from 0.4 to 0.9 though.. And my total gone from 5.1 right up to 6.5. I have never had any readings in the 6's ever....

My leg pains have gone and my body myscle tone especially my legs are brilliant. I'm size 8/10 and hubby is a waist 32 and 12 1/2 stone max.
He was also taking my statins that I couldn't take.

His levels are now chronic...wheras before he came just in the normal range with breakdown of the cholesterols. His trigs have gone up, his ldl and hdl both gone in the wrong direction.

Any thoughts please as now I just do not know what to do besides ditching the fat...(we never did low fat anyway) just had butter and semiskimmed milk.

After hubbies weightloss I really don't want him putting weight back on from feeling hungry..and going back to his horrible weight. The extra fat does seem to have contributed thought to both of us getting hugely increased bad cholesterol..

Are we both just unlucky that we both can't tolerate more fat? It just seems that its odd.

Any advice welcome...

Hi there! Long time no speak. This might make interesting reading:
http://authoritynutrition.com/low-carb-diets-and-cholesterol/
Hope it helps!
Hugsx

 

[donnellysdogs]

Hi there! Long time no speak. This might make interesting reading:
http://authoritynutrition.com/low-carb-diets-and-cholesterol/
Hope it helps!
Hugsx

Thank you Scandichic.. So much..

Can't believe the help people have given me.

Incidentally... Made me wonder why there's no eskimo diet!! (thought for today).... They don't eat potatoes, rice, pasta etc..hubby asked if I could live in an igloo?? After walking in to a cold house tonight without the woodburner the answer was a "yes!".

"Want to know about a group of people who eat primarily only meat and fat, very little fruits and vegetables and are healthier than any other group of people? Well meet the Inuit from the frozen North. They seemed to eat all the things that are blamed for heart disease and cancers (meat and fat) yet somehow had little to no diseases of modern man. Let’s learn a little more about them."

How about an Inuit diet?? Lol!! only just got used to salmon!!!

Thanks everybody for all your help... Waitrose and Lidl for med diet foods tomorrow...

My consultant did ask for full lipid tests and due to hospital phlebotomist error re writing a form that consultant gave the lab didn't do.. So going to try and see/speak to DSN/practice on Monday to get full breakdown done, if not will pay for myself. Think consultant will realise when she comes back from her half term hol with family so should be able to get these redone.

Thank you all so much.

Ps.. Saw shades of grey tonight..anastasia in film was my body since 16 and my girlfriend tomight reckoned my body still beats that girl.... So taking heart at that at almost 52!! Her daughter also said (age 4).."Mummy, I'm beautiful, your not.. But Sharon is"....... Aaaah.

So despite cholesterol having a blip.. Still outwardly good.. Just got to regenerate the inner goodness back!!

 

[JTL]

Trouble with Eskimos is there all three foot nine and square aren't they?

 

[AndBreathe]

Thank you Scandichic.. So much..

Can't believe the help people have given me.

Incidentally... Made me wonder why there's no eskimo diet!! (thought for today).... They don't eat potatoes, rice, pasta etc..hubby asked if I could live in an igloo?? After walking in to a cold house tonight without the woodburner the answer was a "yes!".

"Want to know about a group of people who eat primarily only meat and fat, very little fruits and vegetables and are healthier than any other group of people? Well meet the Inuit from the frozen North. They seemed to eat all the things that are blamed for heart disease and cancers (meat and fat) yet somehow had little to no diseases of modern man. Let’s learn a little more about them."

How about an Inuit diet?? Lol!! only just got used to salmon!!!

Thanks everybody for all your help... Waitrose and Lidl for med diet foods tomorrow...

My consultant did ask for full lipid tests and due to hospital phlebotomist error re writing a form that consultant gave the lab didn't do.. So going to try and see/speak to DSN/practice on Monday to get full breakdown done, if not will pay for myself. Think consultant will realise when she comes back from her half term hol with family so should be able to get these redone.

Thank you all so much.

Ps.. Saw shades of grey tonight..anastasia in film was my body since 16 and my girlfriend tomight reckoned my body still beats that girl.... So taking heart at that at almost 52!! Her daughter also said (age 4).."Mummy, I'm beautiful, your not.. But Sharon is"....... Aaaah.

So despite cholesterol having a blip.. Still outwardly good.. Just got to regenerate the inner goodness back!!

I think you,also have the sit back and think about this in the context of why you increased your fat intake, and how you felt having done that.

I'm not a hugely high fat advocate, and accept we all need different levels of nutrients and micronutrients to reach our sustainable, optimal health, but if I recall you went from acceptable lipids, but having some symptoms (was it muscle aches or fatigue; I honestly can't recall), so having improved how you feel and functioned on a day to day basis, you're willing to can that, based on half the data and what seems a driven need to please the number chart.

Hey ho. Maybe I'm the one over thinking this, here.

 

[AndBreathe]

Thank you Scandichic.. So much..

Can't believe the help people have given me.

Incidentally... Made me wonder why there's no eskimo diet!! (thought for today).... They don't eat potatoes, rice, pasta etc..hubby asked if I could live in an igloo?? After walking in to a cold house tonight without the woodburner the answer was a "yes!".

"Want to know about a group of people who eat primarily only meat and fat, very little fruits and vegetables and are healthier than any other group of people? Well meet the Inuit from the frozen North. They seemed to eat all the things that are blamed for heart disease and cancers (meat and fat) yet somehow had little to no diseases of modern man. Let’s learn a little more about them."

How about an Inuit diet?? Lol!! only just got used to salmon!!!

Thanks everybody for all your help... Waitrose and Lidl for med diet foods tomorrow...

My consultant did ask for full lipid tests and due to hospital phlebotomist error re writing a form that consultant gave the lab didn't do.. So going to try and see/speak to DSN/practice on Monday to get full breakdown done, if not will pay for myself. Think consultant will realise when she comes back from her half term hol with family so should be able to get these redone.

Thank you all so much.

Ps.. Saw shades of grey tonight..anastasia in film was my body since 16 and my girlfriend tomight reckoned my body still beats that girl.... So taking heart at that at almost 52!! Her daughter also said (age 4).."Mummy, I'm beautiful, your not.. But Sharon is"....... Aaaah.

So despite cholesterol having a blip.. Still outwardly good.. Just got to regenerate the inner goodness back!!

I think you,also have the sit back and think about this in the context of why you increased your fat intake, and how you felt having done that.

I'm not a hugely high fat advocate, and accept we all need different levels of nutrients and micronutrients to reach our sustainable, optimal health, but if I recall you went from acceptable lipids, but having some symptoms (was it muscle aches or fatigue; I honestly can't recall), so having improved how you feel and functioned on a day to day basis, you're willing to can that, based on half the data and what seems a driven need to please the number chart.

Hey ho. Maybe I'm the one over thinking this, here.

 

[donnellysdogs]

I think I recognise that fat improved the muscle pains in hips and thighs but perhaps just that I may have overloaded on saturated fats. I don't want to go back to feeling as bad as I used to which indeed was chronic pain. So am willing to try a different balance of fats that may still be beneficial... To both muscles and cholesterol.

 

[vit90]

What about exercise - I don't think diet alone is enough with LCHF, especially long term. I also echo others here that the right balance of fat types is important. I am not so convinced that saturated fat is good for you. I have increased my consumption of saturated fats no doubt but I am also trying to raise the proportion of Omega 3 to Omega 6 and have substantially upped my veg consumption (sautéed red cabbage last night was a new experience and very successful).

 

[vit90]

I don't think UK blood tests count LDL particles or measure the size

Isn't the difference between HDL and LDL the molecule sizes? There are sub-categories too like VLDL, etc.

 

[azure]

Thank you for this info... Are there two types of avocado? I seem to have it in my brain that some are black skinned and some green??

Is there a difference in taste between stoned olives? Black / green ones??

Would rather hear from someone now addicted to avocado here, than trying to troll the internet?

Any opinions anybody on best avocado? Best olives?

@donnellysdogs There are a number of different varieties of avocado, but in the UK most of them are very hard to find. The most easily available nice one is the Hass avocado. They're usually labelled as such. They have a good oil content and are creamy/buttery and nutty. Often they're the more expensives ones in a supermarket if the supermarket only has two kinds. As with everything, you get what you pay for.

There are lots of varieties of olives. If I were you, I'd go to a nice deli or the deli counter of a supermarket and taste a few. Yes, there is a difference in taste between black and green, but that difference varies depending on the variety. Generally, green ones are 'fruitier'. Black ones can be 'meatier' or even slightly smoky.

A good black olive is the Kalamata from Greece (pretty widely available - you can get them in a jar, if no luck at a deli). For green olives, I like Cerignol and Gordal. They're both quite big and are sometimes stuffed with things like lemon, garlic, etc.

Black olives are basically ripened green olives, but many of the 'black' olives sold cheaply in jars or tins have actually been ripened with gas and turned black unnaturally. They're horrible, in my opinion, and have a horrible texture.

There isn't really a difference in taste between stoned and unstoned. But lots of the premium ones have their stones left in whereas the cheapies are often stoned. If you see a jar of stoned black olives for 80p, they've probably been artificially blackened and will taste either bland or bitter. Again, you get what you pay for. Choose a premium smaller jar of, say, Kalamata, or get some from a deli. Even the ones that come in plastic pots with herbs and feta, etc, wil be better than jarred or tinned olives.

You can use them in cooking as well as salads. I usually buy cheaper but ok ones if I'm going to cook with them, but more expensive ones for a salad.

I sound like I work for the Olive Marketing Board! I don't : D I just like olives and olive oil - and I think they have big health benefits

Hope that helps.

 

[donnellysdogs]

I do a lot of exercise through my work now. When I was lacking in fat (literally only from semiskimmed milk) I was in so much pain I could barely walk. So I know that fat has tremendously helped my muscles so I want to stay with them being good..
So I think I have to try less sources from dairy...

 

[donnellysdogs]

@donnellysdogs There are a number of different varieties of avocado, but in the UK most of them are very hard to find. The most easily available nice one is the Hass avocado. They're usually labelled as such. They have a good oil content and are creamy/buttery and nutty. Often they're the more expensives ones in a supermarket if the supermarket only has two kinds. As with everything, you get what you pay for.

There are lots of varieties of olives. If I were you, I'd go to a nice deli or the deli counter of a supermarket and taste a few. Yes, there is a difference in taste between black and green, but that difference varies depending on the variety. Generally, green ones are 'fruitier'. Black ones can be 'meatier' or even slightly smoky.

A good black olive is the Kalamata from Greece (pretty widely available - you can get them in a jar, if no luck at a deli). For green olives, I like Cerignol and Gordal. They're both quite big and are sometimes stuffed with things like lemon, garlic, etc.

Black olives are basically ripened green olives, but many of the 'black' olives sold cheaply in jars or tins have actually been ripened with gas and turned black unnaturally. They're horrible, in my opinion, and have a horrible texture.

There isn't really a difference in taste between stoned and unstoned. But lots of the premium ones have their stones left in whereas the cheapies are often stoned. If you see a jar of stoned black olives for 80p, they've probably been artificially blackened and will taste either bland or bitter. Again, you get what you pay for. Choose a premium smaller jar of, say, Kalamata, or get some from a deli. Even the ones that come in plastic pots with herbs and feta, etc, wil be better than jarred or tinned olives.

You can use them in cooking as well as salads. I usually buy cheaper but ok ones if I'm going to cook with them, but more expensive ones for a salad.

I sound like I work for the Olive Marketing Board! I don't : D I just like olives and olive oil - and I think they have big health benefits

Hope that helps.

That helps enormously!!! Just the info we needed. Going to waitrose now. I don't buy anything in jars. I know they did have a good selection in pots and on deli etc. excited now!!
Thank you. I know they have two types of avocado in one pack ripened ready for use so will get these too.

Thank you so much for this info.... So helpful.

 

[modesty007]

Note that diary fat can come with higher omega 3 if the cows been grass fed and sorry to say that's not always the case, even in UK. Because of this my favourite butter is Keerygold and my cream is mostly from unpasteurised Jersey cream and hardly using any other diaries beside these and cheese (mostly sheep & goat)

 

[vit90]

Although aspiring to Omega 3 benefits via grass fed cows and their dairy and meat products is laudable I doubt that it can be fool-proof and in fact I have read that Kerrygold are no longer claiming that their farmers' cows are 100% grass fed. Maybe Anchor butter from New Zealand might be a better choice. And anyway is there that much Omega 3 in butter to start with, grass fed or otherwise?

There seems to be a consensus that we need to reduce the proportion of Omega 6 fat component consumption compared to Omega 3 (from a typical Western average of around 16:1 to 4:1 or even 1:1).

But anyway, it's probably simpler and more certain to reduce Omega 6 rich fat sources (most low cost vegetable oils, including sunflower and corn oil) and replace with oils that either have hardly any Omega 6 (Coconut oil, for example) or a very high proportion of Omega3 to Omega6 like rapeseed oil (preferably cold-pressed). Flax seed oil (linseed) is also a good one (although not suitable for frying) and again probably best avoid those not labelled cold-pressed. Macadamia oil is also balanced Omega 3/6 and can be used for frying. Am thinking about coconut oil but am put off by its ridiculous expense (it's cheap and cheerful at source) but it has a very low Omega 6 content although no Omega 3.

I'm changing towards these types of oils for cooking and salads (and yummy home made mayonnaise!) and I also take a cod liver oil supplement (and eat Omega 3 rich oily fish every week).

 

[donnellysdogs]

Omg!!!

We've just each had haddock, 4 waitrose pimento stuffed olives with 1/4 avocado, lettuce, rocket, red onion, cherry tomatos, cucumber drizzled with olive oil.

Got to say it was the best salad ever.. It was absolutely fabulous. Had to cut olives in to halves.. Had one whole by itself whilst preparing dinner and it was an acquired taste.....but the salad was fantastic and we can both still taste the fabulous nutty, sweet, bitter taste. To die for. Can't wait till the same tomorrow. Fabulous.....can't have olives or avocado by themselves yet... Also got pimento olives with machengo to try as well.

Thank you @azure for the advice on avocado and the olives...absolute best salad ever...

 

[donnellysdogs]

Also saw that Lidl sell flaxseed with asstd other ingedients today...

Hunted high and low for chick peas, pesto, cannellini beans, tahini, feta cheese, quinoa, ricotta but eventually found and got all the ingredients to try a different take on our eating...

Worth a go from tonights dinner....

Will check why they didn't do full lipid test tomorrow, get hubbys statins and his blood test forms for thyroid.

Thank you all so much, as it will be intersting in end April / early May to see any changes.

Thank you so much.

 

[vit90]

Flax seed is also called Linseed and I buy it in packs already milled from Aldi (£1.99 for 250g plain, or 225g variations with various additions like sesami or pumpkin seeds and goji berries or blueberries. Be careful with the chick peas, tahini and beans as the carbs can add up. Quinoa is 64% carbs

 

[phoenix]

How about an Inuit diet?? Lol!! only just got used to salmon!!!

Notwithstanding the fact that seals are in short supply at Tesco's, you definitely don't want an Inuit diet unless you are an Inuit and if you were then I really don't think that it would fit very well with T1.
Actually,maybe it would, because many of them have a metabolism that means they don't develop ketones. (so no DKA!)
It's a bit of a paradox but they aren't the poster children for the ketogenic diet . There are papers that date back almost 100 years that say they had a high glucose tolerance and didn't develop very high fasting ketones. http://www.jbc.org/content/80/2/461
That paper and others have suggested that the diet was high in protein which can be converted into glucose and stored.
Fast forward and we now know that a high proportion of Inuits and other Native Alaskan people carry a gene variant that severely limits their ability to produce ketones.
. In infancy when they have small livers then little glycogen can be stored and children with the variant can literally run out of energy (ie hypoglycaemia)'. It is suggested that this may have lead to high rates of infant mortality . Feeding patterns were different in the past . According to the article linked above, they tended to be breastfed on demand and fed for 2 years when meat was added to the diet. They then nursed irregularly until the age of 4-6. This pattern of feeding is uncommon now , so maybe Alaskan babies are even more at risk today. Babies in the communities affected are tested at birth for the variant and there's a lot of education on avoidance and treatment of severe hypos . see youtube " The Other Energy Crisis: Arctic Variant CPT1A"
also http://www.adn.com/article/20141129/clues-emerging-about-arctic-gene-diet-and-health
(and I hate to say that archaelogical evidence shows a lot of evidence of disease inclucing artherosclerosis, arthritis and osteoporosis not to mention eye problems caused by the smoke from open fire without a chimney)

 

[Simon84]

Also saw that Lidl sell flaxseed with asstd other ingedients today...

is that in a city? my lidl in rushden dont seem to sell things like that but aldi sometimes has it