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Alternative con artists

Discussion in 'Alternative Treatments' started by jpr3323, Oct 1, 2016.

  1. ChrisSamsDad

    ChrisSamsDad Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, how long do you have to wait for the syrup? because tickly coughs usually go away on their own in a few days.

    Your family are not the only ones to believe in the effectiveness of turnip, apparently it's a traditional remedy: http://www.henriettes-herb.com/eclectic/kings/arisaema.html used for sore throats and the like.

    Myself, I like to suck a fisherman's friend - but you're probably not interested in my personal life.
     
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  2. Jaylee

    Jaylee Type 1 · Moderator
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    Or look like us?? o_O

    Agreed, that's just sooooo "barbaric".


    ...... Especially when they can be "phased out" with eugenics.?! :stop:
     
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    ChrisSamsDad Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, we're going to actually start a new breed of scientists. Starting with:
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    Jaylee Type 1 · Moderator
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    "Things can only get better." I suppose? :singing: :p

    Though alas, some of the dumbed down can come across like a new breed of "thespians"...

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    nickm Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I have never met or even heard of a Type 1 my age that I consider very successful, who does not reject much of conventional medical thinking on diabetes. Please let me know if you find one.
    If you follow average treatment, expect very average results.
    Doctors have set their lawyers on me. They don't want you to know how successful I am using treatments they call ineffective. You should know by now that science in the UK and Australia has been perverted by legal thuggery. Read the BMJ. And diabetics are the losers.
     
  6. McGints11

    McGints11 Type 2 · Active Member

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    That is really good news, keep it going.

    I have recently been using different combinations of apple cider vinegar, bitter melon tea and guava tea with very strong results. It is a pain in the neck in terms of time management, though.

    My next A1c is due in 8 weeks and I will let you how the results stack up.
     
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  7. Mbaker

    Mbaker Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Not arguing, but had to comment as my wife is a Physio and I work out of the same office for my IT business, so for over 9 years I have built relationships with her clients and been witness to amazing reversals. Like Doctors not all Physio's are equal. My wife will again this Christmas get my customer presents than me due to her almost divine healing outcomes for long term conditions. I think she is so good due to her personality and skill. With a background of being in the British Judo squad, a personal trainer, a 1st class sports science degree and 2:1 Physio degree, 2 stints in the NHS, she also worked at West Ham, I remember a case study on Michael Carrick (sorry if you don't know, he is a pretty good footballer). Anyway long story short is that good Physio does and can work, you most likely had average treatment unfortunately.
     
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    noblehead Type 1 · Guru
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    Physio does work your quite right @Mbaker, just on this occasion it didn't despite seeing 3 different physio's, whether it was down to their skills I couldn't honestly say.
     
  9. seadragon

    seadragon Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Sad to see anyone knocking chiropractors on here. Mine did cure me and instantly. Had a history of back pain and disc problems for years. Had been to a physio a few times and following the exercises was doing very little to improve matters. Someone suggested a chiropractor and I was sceptical. My mum helped me up the stairs to the office as I could barely walk and was in much pain. Chiropractor talked over my problem, explained what may be the cause, performed a manipulation and with one 'crack' I was instantly cured. Danced down the stairs and competed in an ice skating competition 3 days later. I may have improved with physio alone over a period of weeks - I may have improved anyway over a period of weeks but it was the skill of the chiropractor that gave me instant and lasting results.
    Homeopathy I agree on scientific evaluation looks like codswallop but it has worked for me and for my son and even for animals (who can hardly know what they were getting and whether it was 'evidence based' but it still worked). Reiki has definite benefits - again I was not a believer but felt the effects. Not everything that works necessarily has a basis in current scientific knowledge but given we discover everyday new invisible particles and new ideas on how the world works in scientific terms maybe they are just further on the knowledge path without even knowing it. And the main thing is if it works why knock it? Much mainstream medicine does not work well or has significant side effects (statins for example) and many drugs we are told are safe turn out to be anything but (thalidomide anyone?)
    Those snake oil salesman are alive and well in the drugs industry as much as in 'alternative medicine'
     
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  10. Resurgam

    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    Back in the 1980s when I was pregnant I took raspberry leaf extract, which the midwives looked upon as akin to witchcraft. They asked why, and I told them that there was a long tradition of midwifery in the family, and kept on taking it. Apparently I recovered far more rapidly than expected, the nurses at the maternity hospital were looking for me in the ward, where I should have been out for the count, when both times I was in the dining room looking for something large and meaty to devour. Apparently raspberry leaf extract is really good for pregnant women as it affects the muscles they are going to need and it is now recommended in the last trimester.
     
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    If homeopathy works it simply has to be a placebo effect. Any active ingredient has been diluted down so much as to be non-existent.

    Personally i would never use a homeopathic medicine but would respect the beliefs of others to do so. The human mind is an immensely powerful organ
     
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  12. poemagraphic

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    I am an experienced practioner in alternative methods of healing.

    I have looked at the way our imagination can be a huge factor in our health.

    Sadly there are far too many of what I call the love and light brigade


    It is all about intention. Hypnosis can be great for controlling pain for example


    However hypnosis can only take us so deep into the real power.


    Somebody who knows a good induction can take you on the start of the journey.

    Guided meditation mp3 or videos are good if you are good at ‘seeing the pictures in your head… I hardly ever can.


    The point is somebody can take you so far but there comes a point where you need to go beyond the journey… Meditation is something only YOU can do. Somebody else can NOT meditate you! So in the silence within your mind is where the real power/force of healing is.


    I can teach you several kinds of meditation if you want to experience this force of healing YOU CAN!


    I am Mr normal who has spent over half a century looking at the power of the mind and use it in my everyday life… Because it works!


    I am passionate about ‘outing’ the Charlton’s there are far far too many out there.

    Saddly far more ill-informed uneducated unregulated people who have learnt from the internet and expensive books who think they are experts.


    Great alternative healers are out there… It is a matter of finding them.

    They are almost as hard to find as rocking horse poo!
     
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    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    I had a couple of heart attacks last month, and one side effect was that the reality of not being able to breathe properly sent me into panic. Now this flooded my body with adreneline and I was already insulin resistant, so the adenaline stopped the insulin storing glucose, and my IR stopped me using it so the glucose filled my veins with nowhere to go, My bgl shot right off the meter in A&E, and could not be read.

    I managed to rationalise this while gasping away, and realised I had to drop the adrenaline as nothing else would bring those levels down (insulin infusions were tried with zero effect since I already had that a plenty). So I applied mindfullness and meditation that I had learnt in the 60's, and the next morning I greeted my Consultant with a smile and a reasonable glucose count. I have found myself doing it throughout this current journey since I am not out of the woods by far, but I have pushed my diabetes into remission now, Yes YOU CAN.
     
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    TriciaWs Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Many of the things we can now get on prescription were once not recognised by big pharma type medicine. But nowadays most traditional remedies have not been tested by double blind experiments and are unlikely to be tested.
    One story illustrates part of the problem in getting them pushed through official, expensive testing:
    years ago two young researchers experimented on the use of ginger for travel sickness. They used equipment designed to test astronauts, and confirmed the best dose of ginger - at which it worked better than medicines currently sold for travel sickness.
    They appeared on national tv news talking about the research, but they then discovered there was no way to patent the dose - and so they refused to announce that. We knew there was scientific evidence that ginger works better but no one else knew how much to take.
    The take home message for researchers is that there is no money in this type of research - so it is rarely done.
     
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    This is a great endorsement for meditation.

    I spent quite some time going each week to the Buddhist centre in Norwich.

    Mindfulness is a great meditation to experience. Being in a group session is helpful for a lot of people.

    On a side note:

    One of my friends had a heart attack and he was admitted to hospital. He was wired up to a monitor and was being watched through the night.

    Remembering the meditaion I taught him, like you he decided to sit calmly on the bad and meditate … within a few minutes he was aware that he was surrounded by ‘the crash team’ He had slowed his heart rate to such an extent he set the alarm off. He smiled and explained he was meditating and in calm deeply relaxed state.


    Prove positive of the power of meditation!
     
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    When I still worked as a doctor I gave placebos a couple of times for pain (before finding out it was unethical!) Worked like a charm.
     
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    I used the raspberry leaf when I was pregnant to great effect too. My sister's GP recommended black cohosh tea to her when she was having a difficult menopause and didn't want HRT. It was fairly effective for her, and I used it too. Likewise I use echinacea drops when/if I have a cold (very rare occurrence) and it really helps.

    There are so many herbs and teas that used to be used year ago that people forgot. My mum had a whole repertoire of them that she taught me, and I have used them to good effect all my life. I wouldn't know if the doctor would have recommended or condemned them because I don't often go.
     
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