Hello! I don’t have symptoms all day. I keep it under strict control by eating protein with a tiny bit of whole grain carbs without an natural sugars (meaning I check the label and it must say 0 next to sugar in the nutritional graph) at least every four hours. If I eat something very heavy, I may be able to last longer than 4 hours. But usually if I don’t stick some protein in my mouth every four hours, I’m in trouble. I’ve tracked my levels so much that I know I start feeling trouble (shaky, lack of coordination irritable etc) at a blood sugar reading of about 91.Question for folks with IPS:
Do you have symptoms all day?
My reason for asking is that I have symptoms that could be IPS, but I don’t get them after every meal. It all started about 18 years ago, when I would feel a bit iffy (faint, exercise intolerant, OI) after breakfast. Then it gradually extended until I felt iffy for longer and longer into the day, with a slump after b’fast and lunch, but not after dinner.
No I haven’t read any other threads yet I just got a bit excited.
My symptoms are mainly extremely cold/numb hands and feet.
Pins and needles sensations in my lips.
Extremely pale.
Extreme fatigue.
Feeling dizzy.
Heart palpitations.
Headaches.
Slight confusion and forgetful.
Clumbsy
Lack of appetite but when I eat something I get an intense feeling of hunger afterwards
I am definitely not myself and feel really irritable and can’t seem to find the words I want to say at times.
I have been following a ketogenic diet for around a year due to having a diabetes test and being borderline I have lost over 4 and a half stone and was feeling absolutely fantastic, when I decided I didn’t want to lose any more weight I suppose I have upped my carb intake and gone a little mad over the Christmas period and started feeling pretty horrendous, due to the dizziness etc I have carried on eating higher carb thinking I maybe wasn’t eating enough which has given me carb cravings again.
Spoke to my doctor just after Christmas waited a week and a half for a blood test as he thought I was anemic even though I take iron tablets and then another week and a half for a call back, he basically said all my results were perfectly fine and that my symptoms were psychological as physically there is nothing wrong.
I have today before I found your thread been looking at monitors but I have absolutely no clue, I maybe need to do a bit more reading but my head is in a bit of a spin.
Today is the first day my hands and feet have felt warm but I have hardly eaten so tomorrow I am going to get a pen and paper and monitor how I am feeling according to what I have eaten any other information or advice will be greatly received and thank you so much for your reply. Amber
Hi and welcome to our forum @dizzyhighway.I have had symptoms exactly like this, for a short period time during last winter, and have been able to resolve things myself. Just wanted to make a post on here based on my own findings, and hopefully others may find them relevant and perhaps useful.
Long story short: I've had lifelong issues with being very sensitive/reactive to food and medication, and social anxiety as a product of those being the most deleterious effect. To me it also seems that carbs had the greatest effect on my food-derived mood swings although I could never quite put my finger on it.
A couple years ago I had a severe viral infection which lasted several months (never tested positive for covid, was a bit different that typical symptoms at the time). After recovering from the virus, I developed asthma that never went away (and never had prior) and after trying bronchodilators (to no effect) I was prescribed corticosteroids which seemed to work.
I was systematically on symbicort/pulmicort for nearly a year, however a few months after this began I noticed that my reactivity to carbs was exacerbated and began a gluten-free diet to check and see if that helped (which it did to some effect). Also along the way I had realized an acid-reflux issue (which runs in my family) and was prescribed rabeprazole to deal with that. Only used it as needed as I noticed it had a dramatic effect on my mood (irritable, easily agitated). Also began dairy-free as I felt it was contributing to my acid reflux issues.
At that point I was a 27 y/o male otherwise healthy (blood tests looked fine), and felt it was a bit crazy to be on all this medication, and so I attempted to wane off of these and explore for a more natural approach. My doctor did not make me aware of the risks with waning off corticosteroids (suppresses the adrenals). This is where it gets interesting.
So now I had three major things at the time: 1) Reckless waning off of corticosteroids 2) Gluten and dairy-free diet 3) periodic use of rabeprazole (PPI)
Over a period of months I began to develop food intolerances like no other. Began with instant headaches only moments after eating (like my eyelids were shutting on me) and have further reactions about an hour and a half after eating. Depression as well, no motivation whatsoever which is very strange for me I'm generally a pretty happy guy, I'm anxious but not depressed. Wheat products were the worst (which validated my concern with gluten) but I began to be intolerant to any sort of protein, and could only eating some vegetable broth soups and potatos/carrots, things of that nature. At the peak of things, my symptoms looked almost exactly like from the poster I've replied to here, went to emergency and all my blood work, blood sugar looked absolutely fine.
I had finally realized it was due to the reckless usage of the corticosteroids, began re-using my pulmicort inhaler and to immediate effect relieved most of the symptoms. The doctor told me it was still unusual to experience these symptoms at the rate I was waning off my inhaler but the correlation was obviously undeniable (and as mentioned I am sensitive to medication). I think it is very interesting that the original poster claimed to know that norepinephrine is involved, which is produced by the adrenal glands and mine (which I'm claiming at least) appear to have been suppressed during that time.
Perhaps for some of you that can provide insight into your issues, could be some dysfunction with the adrenal glands like mine were having at the time. The story however does not end for me there, flash forward a year later and after my body has adjusted to being off corticosteroids, and I am starting to have similar symptoms from that period reappear. Still strongly reacting to certain foods, and always to wheat-based products. I'm not here trying to preach that a gluten sensitivity is the problem, I don't believe that I have one even with these strong reactions, but I now realize that the gluten and dairy free diet was a factor, and there is a chance I had a B12 deficiency (and maybe others?)
Much wisdom in the above few words.You may never know how, when or why you get these symptoms, the most important is being in control of having a balanced dietary regime, that is healthy and fewer symptoms for you, and only you.
Hi Eric! My name is Anthony, great to meet you. I am having these symptoms as well and jesus it has been a whirlwind. I can't eat any carbs without crashing and severe anxiety following. Are you open to sharing any resources that may have helped you educate your doctors? I am struggling to convince my PCP that I need medical nutrition therapy/endocrinology services at the moment. It's great to finally come across someone else who has this.I'm posting this for a couple reasons.
1) There are a lot more of us out there than are known, because most people don't know they have it. Hopefully someone else will gain some info.
2) There is not enough information on the Internet, or anywhere about this condition.
I am now diagnosed, but it took 15 years for anyone to have any clue at all, and TBH, I am the one who researched it AND educated my doctors.
Idiopathic Postprandial Syndrome/Adrenergic Postprandial Syndrome is in most cases misdiagnosed as Hypoglycemia. Shortly after eating any sort of carbohydrates, I'm sent into fight or flight mode, anxiety consumes me, I get confusion, disorientation, and almost feel drunk or drugged. My blood sugar never moves really.
Every lab test I've been tested fasting at 99, 95, 97, etc, but have these crazy hypos symptoms, and even have to lie down to have the blood draw because I have passed out before.
eAG = 114
HBA1C = 5.6%
Here are some of my readings:
97, 101, 102, 93, 97, 88, 86, 85, 105, 85, 102, 90, 104, 97, 83, 88, 125, 94, 85, 101, 87, 137, 95, 85, 91, 81, 83, 82, 78, 88, 99, 89, 105, 89, 88, 86, 94, 82, 81, 81, 83, 92, 91
Those are fasting, after meal, some 30 min after, some an hour, some two hours. My blood sugar never really moves much at all. I've never gone under 78, yet I get the feelings and panic of being extremely low, and like I need to call 911.
I've been on the Keto diet for the last 3 months, and prior to that eating low carb. My endocrinologist gave me Acarbose to take if I wanted to eat carby food, but I have no interest in that at this time.
I have no idea how it happened, or what else is going on in my body, but this is where I am at now. My blood pressure seems to be lower than a normal person, and I am aware that norepinepherine is involved somehow. I still don't understand what happens chemically in my body, that causes me to go into fight or flight, so I welcome any conversations with anyone else who has this, or is curious about it.
Thanks, and happy to support anyone in any way here.
Eric
Hi and welcome to the RH forum.Hi Eric! My name is Anthony, great to meet you. I am having these symptoms as well and jesus it has been a whirlwind. I can't eat any carbs without crashing and severe anxiety following. Are you open to sharing any resources that may have helped you educate your doctors? I am struggling to convince my PCP that I need medical nutrition therapy/endocrinology services at the moment. It's great to finally come across someone else who has this.
Lamont, have been thinking of you, hoping you are well! How are you on your journey? I hope you see the post I made below in this thread today, as perhaps you might find it interesting. All best, KatherineThat is very kind and generous of you mate, taking it a day at a time is the best I can do, I seem to be having more dark days than light ones despite the meds I am taking, and I do believe they are helping, but it's gradually becoming harder to accept my situation. I will get through this, counselling is helping and support from family and friends and my doctor has been great.
I have been dealt a really difficult hand and I don't know how I can cope with it! This is how I feel!
But thanks again for your support.
Keep safe and I hope you are doing okay!
Hi @Starke ,Lamont, have been thinking of you, hoping you are well! How are you on your journey? I hope you see the post I made below in this thread today, as perhaps you might find it interesting. All best, Katherine
Hi @Marena and welcome to the forum.Hello everybody
I have also symptoms of hypoglycemia with normal blood sugar since many years. I saw many doctors but nobody knows what that could be. At least a doctor says that this is a problem with the mitochondria. He gave me many Supplements. I take them since 2 months. But it didn't change my problem.
I read there that the keto diet could help. Someone who tried it could say me how long it takes to get an improvememt of the symptoms with this diet?
And @Starke I have some questions to you:
Is it exactly right that with the berberine it first gets worse before it gets better?
You mentioned nac, Do you mean n-acetyl-cysteine?
Did you tried the keto diet?
Have you still hypoglycemic episodes?
I really hope for answers.
All best, Marena
Hello @Lamont D Thank you so much for your answer.Hi @Marena and welcome to the forum.
Some posters may have some success with supplements, but in my experience, there are some extra ingredients that might not work. Some sweetners, industrial sugars additives that won't help with control.
Did your doctor offer any tests?
Did your doctor say that a specialist in hypoglycaemic conditions would be a good idea?
If not, I would definitely ask for a referral. The endocrinologist will give you the necessary tests for the determination of which type of hypoglycaemia.
I have Late Reactive Hypoglycaemia. And it is food that I have issues with.
The same with meds, for these types of metabolic conditions, there is no magic pill. No cure.
But there is dietary control of your blood glucose levels.
And yes, a keto diet or a very low carb diet will help.
There are along with this dietary regime more things that will help with reducing the symptoms and not feeling awful.
I have been following this diet for quite a while, it will take a couple of weeks or longer to see the difference, that is because your body is so used to carbs that it will take time to adapt. But it is worth it.
I went through what you are going through now.,
My type of hypoglycaemia, is not very well researched and the treatment is similar to other metabolic conditions, and is not ideal in my experience and the science, that I have found relevant to how the reactive part is triggered and why the hypo.
We create too much insulin.
Which is different to other metabolic conditions.
I hope this helps.
Keep asking.
Best wishes.
All you write is a very similar experience I had before I had a referral with my endo.Hello @Lamont D Thank you so much for your answer.
My doctor made some blood tests on which he gave me some vitamin Supplements and other Supplements.
I have seen 2 endocrinologists before, but they didn't know what I have. Because my blood sugar is always normal no matter how strong my symptoms of hypoglycemia are, so doctors don't know what that could be. Do you also have always normal glucose levels? Do you know any other specialists except endocrinologists? Because all my endocrinologists were overwhelmed with my problem.
When you started with the keto diet did your hypoglycemic symptoms get worse at the beginning before it got better? Because if I don't eat carbohydrates in my food my symptoms don't go away. It is very complicated.
Did you also tried other things before the keto diet?
Is the keto diet something you could do the whole life?
Did you get a diagnosis from any doctor or did you find it on your own?
I read you had helicobacter pylori. I also had it in 2012 and it was also treated with antibiotics. Before this I didn't have the hypoglycaemia.
All best.
Yes you are so right. Most doctors don't believe in rare conditions. Many sad to me that it is only psychological. But I definitely know that it is nothing psychological.All you write is a very similar experience I had before I had a referral with my endo.
Through the forum, the same experience has been discussed.
As with most rare conditions, the specialists, somehow very rarely see a case, never mind trained for it, or as in my first specialist, did not believe me. Or in hypoglycaemic conditions.
Yes my BG levels are non diabetic. Though creeping into diabetic levels.
My fasting BG levels are what was one of the clues. The other was hypo without meds and not T1.
The tests were done, cos I had two hypos consecutively on my first two appointments, my first eOGTT, I had a hypo. And after my experience and experimenting time. I found carbs to be the culprit, so yeah, control of my BG levels is the best treatment I have found.
I took to keto quite easily, fasting helps me through the adjusting. And if you do have hypoglycaemia you might want to think about how you set about your meals.
I don't understand the supplements thing, why do you need them, if you don't have an issue with what they are supplementing?
Oh yes, I had to try all sorts of various ideas, none of them worked except keto.
And, because I know how beneficial keto is for me, I have done it now (mostly) since 2013.
I was diagnosed by my endocrinologist, I was so lucky to find him.
And he did save my life, cos I had got to the stage that it was severely impacting my health.
Helicobactor pylori, was found in an endoscopy exam. I had the anti biotics. I found through a university paper, that it was hypothesized that the symptoms and the condition of reactive hypoglycaemia, was an after effect of one or either both of them.
I think it is important to get a referral, I think it is important to record your BG levels, either using a glucometer or a CGM. A food diary was so helpful.
As was learning about keto, and for the first time in years, getting my health back. My energy levels and no brain fog.
Keep asking
Best wishes.
I will tell you of a typical day before diagnosis. And this was recommended because of my high BG levels sometimes. I didn't know then what my BG levels were.Yes you are so right. Most doctors don't believe in rare conditions. Many sad to me that it is only psychological. But I definitely know that it is nothing psychological.
When you had your hypos how where your glucose levels in this moment?
At the beginning of the year I were a CGM and I found out that I get hypo symptoms at 90 to 70, which are normal results.
My doctor gave me the supplements because he thinks I have a lack of vitamins. But I think this has nothing to do with my symptoms because they don't help.
When you start the keto diet how did you do that? Do you reduce the carbs slowly or from one day to the next? Because if I don't eat carbs my symptoms get worse.
What do you eat the whole day? I don't know how I know how much carbs I eat. It says 50 grams right? But I don't know much this is. Also I don't know how much Proteins I should eat?
Thank you so much for the information with the helicobacter. I didn't know that before. So I think it is possibly also the reason why I have this hypoglycemia.
Thank you so much for your help. I am really desperate because my symptoms are so horrible. I am also unable to work because of this problem.
All best.
Hi @Marena ,Hello @Lamont D sorry my answer is a little late. My hypoglycemic episodes the last days were so bad.
This sounds very horrible when you had so low glucose levels. But my glucose levels are always normal. So do you really think keto will help me also? My fear is that it doesn't work for me because after eating I never have high or low glucose levels only the symptoms of hypoglycemia.
And how could you fast? I could never do that. If I don't eat regularly my symptoms get unbearable. Do you know people which have hypoglycemic symptoms and normal glucose levels where keto also helped?
I looked on dietdoctor.com I think it will be very helfpful for keto. Thank you.
@JoKalsbeek thank you too for your help. I looked on your page. Very interesting.
All best.
1) yes, I meant N-Acetyl cysteineHello everybody
I have also symptoms of hypoglycemia with normal blood sugar since many years. I saw many doctors but nobody knows what that could be. At least a doctor says that this is a problem with the mitochondria. He gave me many Supplements. I take them since 2 months. But it didn't change my problem.
I read there that the keto diet could help. Someone who tried it could say me how long it takes to get an improvememt of the symptoms with this diet?
And @Starke I have some questions to you:
Is it exactly right that with the berberine it first gets worse before it gets better?
You mentioned nac, Do you mean n-acetyl-cysteine?
Did you tried the keto diet?
Have you still hypoglycemic episodes?
I really hope for answers.
All best, Marena
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