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pechelbron

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I have Type 2 diabetes and srarted insulin injections 3 weeks ago. My nurse was supposed to contact me about my reading today and didn’t. My mmol readings have been above 11mfor several days and today have been 13 . I have had the lowest possible Gi meals eg humous and whole meal couscous and tonight plains and rice. 3 hours after my evening meal and 14 units of insulin my latest reading is 16.3. Any ideas what I should do?
Thanks Barry
 

Rachox

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Hi and welcome to the forum!
As a new comer I’ll tag in @daisy1 for her useful info post.
As a type 2 not on insulin I can’t advise you but I hope someone will be along to help you shortly.
My only comment would be to try to contact your nurse tomorrow
 

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It will help people to help you if you say which insulin regime you are on. Is it a fixed dose, or do you alter your own doses? Do you have a slow acting and a fast acting?

Welcome, by the way.
 

NoCrbs4Me

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That's a lot of carbs, low GI or not!
 

Daibell

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Hi. You need to think low-carb rather than low-GI. Do you have any excess weight as that may be an indicator as to whether you are T1 rather than T2? BTW rice usually raises BS a lot as it's very high carb.
 

pechelbron

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I have a mixture of slow and fast acting insulin I am currently injecting 14 units 2x a day. I naively thought that low sugar content in food was the answer. So should I limit all carbs
 
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Kittycat_7_

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Hi,
I'm on insulin and was told to increase by 2 units every 3 days until my BM was 6 mmols.
I'd keep trying to contact my nurse as you need to increase your insulin.
Take care
 

Brunneria

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Definitely keep trying to contact your nurse.
If you are on fixed doses of mixed insulin, then it will contain a slow acting basal insulin, and a short acting insulin to cope with carbohydrate from meals. Please do NOT try cutting out all carbs while you are taking this insulin mix. You would be risking hypos. Usual practice seems to be to start people on a low dose and then slowly increase (called titrating) until the correct dose is achieved. S/he should be able to tell you what size increments you can safely increase by.

Could you tell us the brand and the name? Mixes come in different proportions and need to be chosen to fit with your personal requirements, and then dose adjusted for an even better fit.

This page gives a bit more information
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/insulin/insulin-types.html

Your nurse is definitely the best person to ask for details on how you need to use it, but I would also recommend that you read around too. No nurse will ever have to deal with your diabetes on a daily, hour by hour basis, so the more expert you become, the more you will be able to control the D and not let it control you. :)
 

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@pechelbron
Hello Barry and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Pinkorchid

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I have a mixture of slow and fast acting insulin I am currently injecting 14 units 2x a day. I naively thought that low sugar content in food was the answer. So should I limit all carbs
Low carb is the general information for T2's here but it can be a bit different when you are on insulin as you have to be more careful about hypos. Perhaps advice from T2's on insulin will help you more
 

pechelbron

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Hi my nurse is not available til Monday so got in touch with the medical practice and they have told me to revert to gliclacide x2 twice a day.
I took 2 overnight without asking anybody and got down to 7.3. The insulin pen says Humulin M3. It had crept up to 9.9. 3 hours after breakfast. Despite the fact that Diabetes UK say that over 16.7 = 300 and over is dangerous The Doc says readings in the teens short term are not a problem. I know who I believe. Thanks for your comments and support. I felt totally alone and abandoned last night.
 

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Resurgam

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I do feel that the person who prescribed a mixed dose insulin and didn't supply information on managing it, and your diabetes was playing a dangerous game.
First of all diabetes is all about carbs - and you weren't told that?

Eating rice and wheat is not normally a good idea unless you are taking a medication which causes hypos - but in that case reducing both would be my thought.

As a type two myself I find that eating low carb foods gives me normal numbers. I realize that I am lucky, but it is not all that uncommon. From my own testing and experience, low GI is an illusion.
If you do need insulin then you should at least have information about what you are doing and how to manage it, not be left in complete ignorance.
 

JoKalsbeek

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I have Type 2 diabetes and srarted insulin injections 3 weeks ago. My nurse was supposed to contact me about my reading today and didn’t. My mmol readings have been above 11mfor several days and today have been 13 . I have had the lowest possible Gi meals eg humous and whole meal couscous and tonight plains and rice. 3 hours after my evening meal and 14 units of insulin my latest reading is 16.3. Any ideas what I should do?
Thanks Barry
Hi Barry, and welcome,

I don't use insulin myself, but I am baffled reading your story... I'm not entirely sure how you can be put on insulin and not know practically all carbs matter, low GI or no... Bizarre, really, because how are you supposed to know how much to inject if you don't know what you're doing to your glucose levels with the carbs and the insulin? Though humulin might be a basal rather than a bolus, I have no idea, as I don't use it. Not putting you down, just wondering at how you've been grossly neglected and kept in the dark! (I'm SO angry right now!)

Going low carb/high fat has kept quite a few of us from progressing to insulin, and actually got a lot of us into the normal range, with or without just pills. (I could drop my meds 3 months after starting low carb. Even the statins). If you've never tried it, discuss it with your team and who knows, it might be something you can attempt? If you want to, of course. But not in combination with insulin, and especially not if you aren't getting proper guidance with it. Don't start experimenting on your own if you're taking shots, you'd probably hypo. You might want to read The Diabetes Code by Dr. Jason Fung, he's a fount of information.

Again, don't experiment on your own, as it could turn out really, really bad, but.... Learn about diabetes, as knowledge is power. It truly, truly is.

Good luck!
Jo
 

gillytee31

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Hi,
I'm on insulin and was told to increase by 2 units every 3 days until my BM was 6 mmols.
I'd keep trying to contact my nurse as you need to increase your insulin.
Take care

Yes, I was told the same thing, yes kitty cat you definitely need to increase your insulin. See your nurse ASAP