absolutely!
I read an article recently by Zoe Harcombe arguing against the 2m social distancing rule, claiming it was unnecessary, and Lockdown should be halted immediately.
Now I have a great deal of time and respect for Zoe Harcombe, but the whole time I was reading her article all I could think of was that she was probably writing it comfortably ensconced in her home office, with a nice view out of her open window.
I simply cannot believe that she has a 2 hr bus and train commute, jammed like a sardine in the rush hour, breathing hot underground air pre-cycled through 8 other commuters. Nor can I believe she works 10 hour shifts on a factory production line, or 12 hour shifts handling dirty crockery and saliva covered cutlery, or 9 hours a day in an open plan office, with windows that don’t open and 40 co-workers all sharing every breath.
edit: thinking about this, and the commuting and work environments I have just described, I am certain that I would be saying the same if we were discussing flu, norovirus or a flea pandemic.
But for none of these have we ever quarantined the healthy.
seriously questioning the science that has an evidence based background
Ok i get it... i guess the r number is achieved to work on an acceptable number?..To take this to the extreme consider the case where there is only one man in the UK with the virus. If he infects his wife the R number for the UK is 1, if he infects his wife and 4 children the R number for the UK is 5.
Wouldn't say a bar is ever low risk but it's probably higher risk in texas and America who lifted restrictions a lot earlier in the process than other countries. Think sturgeon made a good point about acceptable levels of transmission being seen as higher in England than in Scotland and NI. Levels a lot lower in NI where we opened bars yesterday.. I think the best time to go to a pub is likely this weekend rather than seeing how things pan out.. Before (if it happens) things take off a bit again... Or people become even more complacent in the pubs. Very interesting topic as I don't know when it right without a vaccine!!Chart from Texas Medical Association. Note the highest risk is thought to be going to a bar.
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I cannot understand why low carb gurus are seriously questioning the science that has an evidence based background
Well therefore there just as fallible as every body else and they didnt get a special revelation on two tablets of stone.But surely ardent low-carb proponents hold their current views precisely because they questioned the evidence...
My latest concern is the school proposals. If the rest of society is required to distance in some way how can they consider packing the kids in like sardines in the usual manner?
For secondary schools a year group bubble can be 300 or more pupils. So 300 teens, with often an invincible attitude to life, mix at close quarters for 7 hours a day and then go home. To vulnerable parents and grandparents. What are those family members then? Collateral damage? And it will be a criminal offence to not send the teens to school. With exams imminent it’s incredibly difficult to home educate the higher year groups.
If the adult population cannot mix unchecked in groups of 300 in order to prevent the spread then how can teens be allowed to? Will they need to isolate from family for the school year? How damaging would that be for them? Do vulnerable family members need to isolate from the more robust ones? Again how much damage will that cause?
I am not against schools reopening, they need socialisation and education, just the reckless manner in which it is being proposed with effectively no mitigation/barriers/distancing whatsoever. Week on week off half sized classes to allow distancing? Desk barriers? Masks? Something? Anything?
Primary schools with bubbles of 30 are more manageable but still not ideal.
...it doesnt mean others have accept what you say...
Only @Jim Lahey and @bulkbiker? Please add my name to your list.Well therefore there just as fallible as every body else and they didnt get a special revelation on two tablets of stone.
Just because you and bulkbiker are in lockstep, it doesnt mean others have accept what you say when you fail to refute reasoned arguments and use assertions.
I took the lockstep comment to be in reference to being anti lock down not anti low carb. Most t2 in here agree with low carb and are not in any sort of minority in here. Don’t think anyone in this thread has questioned low carb.Only @Jim Lahey and @bulkbiker? Please add my name to your list.
Anyone with a glucometer can see the relevance and wisdom of a low carbohydrate diet in the face of metabolic syndrome. My Diabetes OCDEM Specialist and GP agree with this statement but suggest they can't in the UK tell people what to eat, as it's not socially acceptable.
Think of the medical breakthroughs that were initially ridiculed or rejected.
Antiseptic handwashing. Ignaz Semmelweis may be the best-known example of a physician ridiculed for an idea that is now accepted as common sense.
Helicobacter pylori. This is how Dr Barry Marshall, a gastroenterologist from Western Australia, described his efforts in the mid-1980s to convince the medical establishment that ulcers were caused by bacteria and not by stress, spicy foods, and too much acid, as conventional medical wisdom held at the time.
Infectious proteins. When neurologist Stanley Prusiner insisted that mad cow disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease are caused not by viruses, bacteria, or fungi but by infectious proteins, which he dubbed "prions" in 1982, even he admitted that the idea was "clearly heretical."
Not eating carbohydrates when your body can't process them. It's just a matter of time.
As not to continue this apparent hijacking of 'are we returning to normal too quickly', I will add: we are. I'm remaining in lockdown, except for dog walking, which I find uplifting on isolated Woodlands Trust walks.
I took the lockstep comment to be in reference to being anti lock down not anti low carb. Most t2 in here agree with low carb and are not in any sort of minority in here. Don’t think anyone in this thread has questioned low carb.
Let’s hope it’s the same everywhere, though I doubt it will be.We walked our dog through 6 miles of woodlands and heath to end up in a country pub in Hedley.
Other than the novelty of being cooked for and havin no washing up to do, I really enjoyed seeing a large family getting together and being physically normal with each other.
This pub got the balance right between reassuring customers by their social distancing measures e.g. no bar service, food brought to an adjoining table etc. but also making the whole thing human by not having masks on (if there was any risk to not wearing masks then it was greater to themselves than their customers).
So I don't think I will convince many on this thread but wanted to report that contrary to the fears of the media this pub had taken both its customer service and health protection measures very seriously!
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What I question is an almost cultish acceptance of any bilge that might come out of one's favourite gurus mouth. That's how one gets badly misled and starts blowing up 5g masts or joins a cult!
You seem to have lost your temper as well as not making a case for your argumentation.This argument amounts to little more than an ad hominem, straw man hybrid. I think we can amicably disagree on something without slighting people's intelligence by making stuff up for effect.
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