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Hi again, I've not needed to come on for a couple of years but my reading has gone up a bit to 57 from about 51 and they said I need to get it down to about 50 in 3 months to avoid needing medication and I was told that cutting out high sugar content should be enough to do that. There is so much conflicting information on the www, even on this website (NHS diets v others etc) that I just don't know what's best. Looking for fruits that are okay, I can't find anything really about apples so are they good or bad, are particular ones good or bad? Also, not sugar related but is butter or buttery type spreads better? I've read arguments for both.
 
It's difficult for anyone to advise what to include in your diet because we are all different. That's why we advise people to get a meter and test. By testing you will be able to see what foods you can personally tolerate. I have tested myself with most fruits and the only ones that don't send my glucose levels too high are a few berries.
As for your butter question. Butter(real food) verses spread ( highly processed frankenfood )
Your choice but I know which one I use
 
shire said:
Hi again, I've not needed to come on for a couple of years but my reading has gone up a bit to 57 from about 51 and they said I need to get it down to about 50 in 3 months to avoid needing medication and I was told that cutting out high sugar content should be enough to do that. There is so much conflicting information on the www, even on this website (NHS diets v others etc) that I just don't know what's best. Looking for fruits that are okay, I can't find anything really about apples so are they good or bad, are particular ones good or bad? Also, not sugar related but is butter or buttery type spreads better? I've read arguments for both.
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Hi can I suggest you go on DietDoctor webside, click on Keto diet, then choose Visual Guides and it will show you straightaway carb levels in different categories of food, eg, fruit, veg, meat, etc.
 
shire said:
Hi again, I've not needed to come on for a couple of years but my reading has gone up a bit to 57 from about 51 and they said I need to get it down to about 50 in 3 months to avoid needing medication and I was told that cutting out high sugar content should be enough to do that. There is so much conflicting information on the www, even on this website (NHS diets v others etc) that I just don't know what's best. Looking for fruits that are okay, I can't find anything really about apples so are they good or bad, are particular ones good or bad? Also, not sugar related but is butter or buttery type spreads better? I've read arguments for both.
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Apples have about 20 grams of sugar, off the top of the head. best fruits are berries, really. Straw, blue, rasp, whatever. The rest is often too sugary. https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/visual-guides should help you with the fruit thing, and possibly some others. https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/blog-entry/the-nutritional-thingy.2330/ might as well. And yeah... Butter. 100%, butter.
 
shire said:
Hi again, I've not needed to come on for a couple of years but my reading has gone up a bit to 57 from about 51 and they said I need to get it down to about 50 in 3 months to avoid needing medication and I was told that cutting out high sugar content should be enough to do that. There is so much conflicting information on the www, even on this website (NHS diets v others etc) that I just don't know what's best. Looking for fruits that are okay, I can't find anything really about apples so are they good or bad, are particular ones good or bad? Also, not sugar related but is butter or buttery type spreads better? I've read arguments for both.
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If you choose to follow the low carb way of eating that has helped many of us into remission then apples are probably best avoided and butter best used instead of factory produced spreads.
 
Hi. Avoid NHS diet advice as it's not based on good science. You need to keep the carbs down and have enough fats and proteins to keep you feeling full. Veg and non-tropical fruit is generally OK. Butter is fine. Saturated fat doesn't clog the arteries.
 
shire said:
Hi again, I've not needed to come on for a couple of years but my reading has gone up a bit to 57 from about 51 and they said I need to get it down to about 50 in 3 months to avoid needing medication and I was told that cutting out high sugar content should be enough to do that. There is so much conflicting information on the www, even on this website (NHS diets v others etc) that I just don't know what's best. Looking for fruits that are okay, I can't find anything really about apples so are they good or bad, are particular ones good or bad? Also, not sugar related but is butter or buttery type spreads better? I've read arguments for both.
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As said above, all good advice.

For me, apple are a big NO.

Never noticed until missus mentioned it, that that half of one, I thought I could have, once it hit my blood stream just sent me hyper.

Chatted non stop for 5 - 10 minutes.

( Think she might have appreciated it, seeing as I " never seem to talk" enough for her liking.

"Just being polite by waiting for you to stop, first, my love...." didn't go down well ..:wideyed::bag:)

Yep raised my BG...so now on my no fly list

Berries.. strawberries, blueberries, all still good..for me

And butter everytime.


Eat to that meter, makes good sense
 
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Get a meter and see what you can and can't eat.
For some odd reason peppers seem to spike me but a small 1 scoop of real ice cream doesn't as much. Go figure!
You need to find our what suits your body
 
Thanks folks. I do have a meter which I've had for three years (Accu-chek mobile) but the cassettes and the needles are so expensive that I only buy them now and again. I have a disability and this is the only type I can use myself without assistance. From what I've read, butter and other natural fats seem to be preferred but as I have heart disease too, they are also all on the list from the heart nurse to avoid so don't really know what's the best thing to do to be honest.
 
shire said:
Thanks folks. I do have a meter which I've had for three years (Accu-chek mobile) but the cassettes and the needles are so expensive that I only buy them now and again. I have a disability and this is the only type I can use myself without assistance. From what I've read, butter and other natural fats seem to be preferred but as I have heart disease too, they are also all on the list from the heart nurse to avoid so don't really know what's the best thing to do to be honest.
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Margarine and the like aren't very heart healthy either, according to some studies. But if you want to follow the nurse's advice, butter's practically out, too. I see the conundrum.

So... What were you going to use it for? I don't use butter nor margarine when it comes to bread any more, because with a low carb diet, I don't actually eat bread. The only thing that I would use butter for is to ploink into my coffee, and maybe a roll up of cheese and ham with a bit of butter in between, which I think to do once every two months or something. (The rest of the time I put it on my eggs, and forget I can do other things with it too!) But that's it. For cooking I use lard/tallow, which I guess would have your nurse throwing fits, but if it's everything in moderation... It's about finding some sort of balance. You don't need a cup of lard/butter/whatever to get your steak done. Knife point is enough, if need be, and you don't end up consuming it all either. But if you're stepping away from bread, the butter/margarine intake per day would drop as it is. Moderation. Find what works for you.
 
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Margarine and the like aren't very heart healthy either, according to some studies. But if you want to follow the nurse's advice, butter's practically out, too. I see the conundrum.

So... What were you going to use it for? I don't use butter nor margarine when it comes to bread any more, because with a low carb diet, I don't actually eat bread. The only thing that I would use butter for is to ploink into my coffee, and maybe a roll up of cheese and ham with a bit of butter in between, which I think to do once every two months or something. (The rest of the time I put it on my eggs, and forget I can do other things with it too!) But that's it. For cooking I use lard/tallow, which I guess would have your nurse throwing fits, but if it's everything in moderation... It's about finding some sort of balance. You don't need a cup of lard/butter/whatever to get your steak done. Knife point is enough, if need be, and you don't end up consuming it all either. But if you're stepping away from bread, the butter/margarine intake per day would drop as it is. Moderation. Find what works for you.
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Butter for toast (wholemeal) 2 slices per day. As I said in my original post, I was told by the diabetic nurse that just by cutting out high sugar content I should be able to get down to a mark that would save me from having to go on Metformin. So I wondered about apples and how highly they ranked in the sugar ratings. I'm kind of trying to vary things but have cut out all biscuits and chocolate but didn't eat too much of them anyway, it was more crisps and crisp-like snacks. I also suffer from inflammatory bowel disease which means I can't just eat any of the things that may be diabetic friendly either.
 
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Butter for toast (wholemeal) 2 slices per day. As I said in my original post, I was told by the diabetic nurse that just by cutting out high sugar content I should be able to get down to a mark that would save me from having to go on Metformin. So I wondered about apples and how highly they ranked in the sugar ratings. I'm kind of trying to vary things but have cut out all biscuits and chocolate but didn't eat too much of them anyway, it was more crisps and crisp-like snacks. I also suffer from inflammatory bowel disease which means I can't just eat any of the things that may be diabetic friendly either.
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I couldn't handle two slices of toast, wholemeal makes zero difference. That alone is iirc +30g carbs right there. Completely agree about eating to the meter to see what works for you, but as a a way of helping us understand, could you give a typical day's meals?
 
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Butter for toast (wholemeal) 2 slices per day. As I said in my original post, I was told by the diabetic nurse that just by cutting out high sugar content I should be able to get down to a mark that would save me from having to go on Metformin. So I wondered about apples and how highly they ranked in the sugar ratings. I'm kind of trying to vary things but have cut out all biscuits and chocolate but didn't eat too much of them anyway, it was more crisps and crisp-like snacks. I also suffer from inflammatory bowel disease which means I can't just eat any of the things that may be diabetic friendly either.
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Wholemeal toast is even carbier than an apple, alas. Carbs are inflammatory by nature, so cutting those back can actually improve your IBD. My IBS (I know, different condition) is virtuallly non-existent now. That's one of the first things I found out when I quit bread, most of it turned to concrete in my gut, which was always red and angry. Without it, I was a lot less painful, practically overnight. I know eating to your meter isn't an option for you, but you can calculate carb content of your meals. Try to aim for a set amount a day or less than that number, if you can't test around meals. But really, bread, most fruit, potatoes, cereals, rice, pasta, corn etc, really are items, wholemeal/brown or otherwise, to avoid for several health reasons. (High blood sugars do cause damage to heart and veins as well!!!) And what do you class as diabetes friendly? Because items sold as such often contain artificial sugars which would wreak havoc on your guts (certainly turned mine into a very bloody mess), but *true* diabetic friendly foods should cause no problems as they usually lack inflammatory components. Meat, fish, poultry, eggs...? Full fat greek yoghurt, hard cheeses, should all be fine. Above ground, leafy green veggies should be okay, though spinach might be problematic for you, salads should probably be alright, broccoli and cauliflower too. Pulses can be problematic, both for the gut and blood sugars.

I know it's a puzzle. The way I eat currently needs to cater to, to a certain extent, issues with cow dairy (there's only so much I can get away with), chronic migraines, hypothyreoidism, kidney stones, obesity, permeable bowel, anxiety, depression, irritable bowel, reumatism and diabetes. (My non-alcoholic fatty liver went away with my way of eating years ago). So I know having to figure out a balancing act when it comes to food is a lot of trial and error, it takes a lot of time, and it's far from easy. But it can be done, and life can get better. Don't expect to find what works for you overnight, especially when there are multiple conditions to consider. But there are ways to figure it out. Even without a meter. Have hope; it can get better.
 
Thanks for you input folks. As I said in my first post I only really wanted to know about apples and also butter. I've not been told to go on a complete diet of any kind, low carb or otherwise. I was just told to cut out high sugar foods (biscuits, cake, chocolate etc) for three months so I just wanted to know if apples were an option as an alternative but I couldn't find any info on this site about apples, hence the question. The site PenguinMum pointed me to provides that info. The butter thing was only a question because I didn't know what people thought was best between that and spreads.
 
Yes diet doctor is a mine of good information

As for the replies, I guess a few like myself responded to share our experiences.

The very best part of the forum I think.

Sure you know, but 57 is well within the diabetic range, and oddly was my DX figure

Which is why I came on here to try to get it back to as near normal as possible

Took 6 months but I got there

Good luck getting yours below that 50 marker.
 
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shire said:
Thanks for you input folks. As I said in my first post I only really wanted to know about apples and also butter. I've not been told to go on a complete diet of any kind, low carb or otherwise. I was just told to cut out high sugar foods (biscuits, cake, chocolate etc) for three months so I just wanted to know if apples were an option as an alternative but I couldn't find any info on this site about apples, hence the question. The site PenguinMum pointed me to provides that info. The butter thing was only a question because I didn't know what people thought was best between that and spreads.
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Sorry about the information overload... I didn't mean to put you off or anything!
 
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