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COVID 2019 Comorbidity with Diabetes

Discussion in 'Other Health Conditions and Diabetes' started by Bill_St, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    I was more referring to his hysterical "modelling" than his bedroom antics..
     
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    lindisfel · Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like Boris and the pole dancer. ;)
    I didn't realise Ferguson strutted his stuff on the catwalk. :)
     
  3. Draco16

    Draco16 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes, we’re at 60,000 excess deaths from only 7% of the population having had it so far (and no overwhelmed NHS) given our quasi lockdown.

    His model of 500,000 deaths from 80% of the population getting it (and overwhelming NHS critical care beds) with no lockdown does now look a little light, I agree.

    Hopefully we get track and trace working, therapeutics are found, even a vaccine, and we keep deaths into the low hundreds of thousands from here.
     
  4. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    I think you'll find that most of the people at extreme danger of death have died.

    I'll be watching the death stats from the ONS closely for the rest of the year to see if overall deaths go down after this.
    Sending the elderly and infirm back to care homes from hospital caused a lot of the "excess" deaths.
    The fudging of death certs to show COVID as a cause is a national disgrace and will taint the stats for years to come.
     
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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It seems that the notion that 80% of the population will get it was over-cautious.
     
  6. Mr_Pot

    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Those who have not caught the virus because they have been shielding, isolating or just lucky are still at the same high risk of dying as they were before.
     
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  7. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Not really as the number of those who are infectious is reducing daily so less chance of getting it wouldn't you say?
     
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  8. Mr_Pot

    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Maybe less chance of getting it but still at the same risk if they do. About 12,000 have died in care homes in the UK but that leaves another 400,000 or so in care homes who could still be at risk.
     
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    There is one notable exception who my wife and I have a lot of respect for.
    Professor van tam, I would describe him as, a Daniel in the yes mens den.
    D.
     
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  10. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Although I'd be far more interested in the number who have been infected and not died.. woudln't you?
     
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    I’m interested in all the numbers - especially the ones before people grab them and then lay interpretation after interpretation on them just to further their own agenda - and it will be years before the mists clear on the real numbers, if they ever do.

    I’m particularly concerned about countries like India, Brazil and Chile.
     
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    lindisfel · Well-Known Member

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    I am also concerned about the UK, it certainly seems that the way things are being relaxed and the amount of virus there is in our country, the virus will take off again.
     
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    urbanracer Type 1 · Moderator
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Jam&Scones MODY · Well-Known Member

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  16. bulkbiker

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    It only helps those on ventilators though.. maybe implying that putting COVID patients on ventilators might not be either beneficial or necessary...
     
  17. Jam&Scones

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    From the article; "It's only suitable for people who are already in hospital and receiving oxygen or mechanical ventilation - the most unwell." I read that to be basically the drug helps those most unwell (ventilation not being a factor, just something they are on because they are so unwell). It doesn't really make it clear though if it helps those which are-kinda-unwell-but-not-enough-for-a-ventilator :) It would be interesting to know.
     
  18. Mr_Pot

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    The article says....
    According to the scientists who carried out the trials, one in three deaths could be prevented among patients on ventilators.
    For patients on oxygen, it could prevent one death in five.
    There was no significant benefit for patients who were not receiving respiratory support.
     
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    The daily press conferences of the UK government are a disgrace

    Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of The Lancet, ... “It’s a betrayal of science,” he says. “It’s a betrayal of science’s responsibility to the public. It’s actually an abuse of power.” He is incensed by the two scientists standing like altar boys and girls either side of the hapless minister du jour. “They’re supposed to be giving independent advice to the government. But they don’t give independent advice.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...nd-controversies-08k37zv27#Echobox=1591374162
     
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  20. Indy51

    Indy51 Type 2 · Expert

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    I actually find it pretty funny that Richard Horton is pontificating about "betrayals of science" given the Lancet's track record over the past few years :D
     
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