Defatizing with Optislim by Patch

It is certainly doable with your determination, Patch. In my opinion you are definately going the right way and your figures are showing improvement daily. Once you have defatted your whatevers a low carb option is really a no brainer to protect and continue the healing of your pancreas. I have no illusions that I could ever pass an OGTT but comfortable with my lifestyle and living with T2.
All power to you. :wink:

looks like weekend should put you in the Green Zone (was that a film?)

Looking good man. Need to start photoshopping some weight off that Avatar.

Hi Patch,

I only noticed this discussion this morning, but have been captivated by what you are doing!

I too have used the Optislim shakes and found it made a huge difference to my weight and blood glucose levels, but it's meant to be a low calorie diet not a VLCD. My understanding is that you shoud replace just 2 meals per day with the shakes and then have a balanced meal and 2 snacks, totalling around 1200 calories per day. I wanted to do the VLCD but it's not available in the UK as yet. Did you log onto cluboptislim? That was really helpful for me and helped me to change my whole lifestyle in order to lose weight long term. Ask them for advice, customer service are really helpful.

Martha1
This is the diet the boys are trying to keep as near as they can
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/assets/documents/StudyRecipes.pdf

This is the paper that kicked it all off
http://www.diabetologia-journal.org/Lim.pdf

The diet you were on is more like the 2nd phase you may follow after the 8 weeks spent on on 600kcal plus veg

Press release
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/press.office/press.release/item/diet-reverses-type-2-diabetes

In an early stage clinical trial of 11 people, funded by Diabetes UK, all reversed their diabetes by drastically cutting their food intake to just 600 calories a day for two months. And three months later, seven remained free of diabetes.

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Hiya
I have ordered Optifast but it wont come for week or so.....so have been using Tony Ferguson sachets sold by boots...as far as I can see much the same contents.
I vary between 2 and 3 shakes a day.......today I had a shake for breakfast with 2 carrots. For lunch a big bowl of tomato and red pepper soup (homemade yum) with a tomato, mushroom and onion salad and lost of leaves etc (the soup and salad eaten about 2 hours apart)......dressed with a little olive oil and balsamic vinegar.....all allowed stuff...no shake then.
tonight I will have a shake and some raw carrots and cauliflower.........So I treat the lunchtime meal as the treat .....(with some exercise before eg a swim etc before the meal)....so guys you dont have to starve or eat bland stuff.....as long as you have plenty of exercise and stick to the diet ...also just make a big bowl of veggie soup to use over several days....add chillie to it if you want a curry experience.....
Seems that I have dropped more than 6 lbs in 4 days...and am felling ok...but slightly more tired.....wondering when I should start reducing my metformin or should I wait until I see the nurse next Wednesday (9 days after the start of the diet). Hmmm will check my fasting level tomorrow to see...(before diet 7.5 so don't check very often)

You should really add in the veg Patch. 200 kcal of brocolli is a lot, really helps with the hunger.

I feel fantastic on Day 2. Drank my breakfast shake before running and then did a personal best, possibly due to having 20g of carb sloshing round my veins.

Ok at almost 1 week after starting this crazy programme/diet of 600 cals per day plus 200 of veg......

Still feeling muzzy in the head, but don't get the light headiness if don't eat something every 4 hours...generally it feels as if something to do with my blood is more stable....if that makes sense ?

Still some hunger but very much in background now.

So for the last week have lost 12 lbs and my glucose fasting level is 6.2 (it was 7.6). ...mmm not as a much a fall as I was expecting (compared with the study I am just within the experienced range)but it at least is going in the right direction

Overall feeling tons better......now I am off the search for a carrot!!!!

And that's why this sort of diet should only be attempted under medical supervision.

Patch, with the greatest of respect, you're not medically qualified to make these sorts of judgements. I am concerned about anyone stopping taking medication unless given proper advice to do so, but particularly so in this case.

I can only recommend that you discuss this with your doctor.

Patch, if you want to be 'left to it' might I suggest that posting your experiences and confessions on the internet isn't probably the best way to go about it.

If you read what I said, I didn't say you shouldn't do it, but you should seek medical advice. I'll stand by that statement till the cows come home.

Ignore 'em Patch m8. They're all [mod edit: personal comment].

The way this has been edited might lead some to think I had posted a four letter word. I didn't. The word I used was 'sheep'.