Some people just don't care, you have to remember that. I've been sat in waiting rooms before watching people writing down random fake readings in their little books to show their GP, and then heading over the road and walking straight into Burger King..lol
@walnut_face , it's daft really, if you think about it. What Prof ROy Taylor is doing is massively reducing calories with diet. What was shown on the London edition is *EXACTLY THE SAME* but uses surgery instead, to ensure that calorie reduction takes place. Personally I don't understand the medical profession desire to elect surgery over something much cheaper and less damaging for the individual as the first resort!
Prof Roy Taylor's starting point was looking at the impact of Bariatric surgery on patients with Type 2. He noted that in almost all cases the symptoms of diabetes went away. So he set out to mimic the surgery by a very low cal (800) dietHow? Like a stomach reduction or something?
Prof Roy Taylor's starting point was looking at the impact of Bariatric surgery on patients with Type 2. He noted that in almost all cases the symptoms of diabetes went away. So he set out to mimic the surgery by a very low cal (800) diet
For those who haven't seen it before, here's one of Prof Taylor's lectures on his research:
http://www.fend-lectures.org/index.php?menu=view&id=94
In my dreams I can still pretend I look like thatI have your profile pic on my wall, in glorious glossy poster form..
@walnut_face , it's daft really, if you think about it. What Prof ROy Taylor is doing is massively reducing calories with diet. What was shown on the London edition is *EXACTLY THE SAME* but uses surgery instead, to ensure that calorie reduction takes place. Personally I don't understand the medical profession desire to elect surgery over something much cheaper and less damaging for the individual as the first resort!
I wish them lucky when the damages start coming through for distress and collective claims for defamation. They'll never learn.Why do these programs focus so much on how much it is costing the NHS? I dont see programs about cancer, or other health issues, focusing on cost in this way. It seems like its unfairly blaming us.
I think its to blame us T2 so people can point to us when they cant get NHS treatment due to cost factors, or their treatment is delayed, instead of pointing to the government cuts. I dont think this vilification and blaming is fair.
I totally agree. I feel the newcastle diet has been mooted for years for diabetics but taking nhs decades?@walnut_face , it's daft really, if you think about it.itWhat Prof ROy Taylor is doing is massively reducing calories with diet. What was shown on the London edition is *EXACTLY THE SAME* but uses surgery instead, to ensure that calorie reduction takes place. Personally I don't understand the medical profession desire to elect surgery over something much cheaper and less damaging for the individual as the first resort!
I suppose that the eatwell guide has some flaws, if this is true. I think also that a low calorie diet should be tailored to the individual, because everyone has different tastes and needs.@Scardoc sticking to a low calorie diet based on the eatwell guide probably is nigh on impossible. All the while it is low fat this and low fat that people will still want to eat between meals. I still do sometimes, but it's a handful of almonds no ½ a packet of biscuits
Won't that make a person unwell!
The daily guidelines are 1500 for men and 1000 for women unless I'm mistaken.
But therein lies the problem. They never give decent dietary advice in my experience. When I was told I was pre-diabetic I was told to "loose some weight" when I was diagnosed with Type 2 - I was given the eatwell plate. Both absolutely useless pieces of advice. As Dr Fung says in the long term we all know that calorie restriction doesn't work but HCP's still "prescribe it" so most are doomed to failure.I’m afraid the answer there could lie in the unavoidable truth that sticking to a low calorie diet and shedding the weight requires some serious motivation and will power. Not all humans possess those and would rather the easy option. And from a purse strings point of view, doing the surgery will probably work out more cost effective IF it prevents long term complications from developing.
I’m sure if the medical profession could simply tell each patient to go diet and they came back 6 months later having lost the weight then surgery wouldn’t be a consideration.
Principally because the aim of the Newcastle diet is to reduce the amount of visceral fat, which take 8 or so week, and I'm not sure fasting for 8 or so weeks is practical....I'm still not sure why people don't try fasting rather than 800 cals per day as I'm sure the effect on blood sugar levels would be more beneficial.
Which Forum? There are two. This one (DCUK) and the Diabetes UK forun (DUK) i,e, the other lot. They do not support low carb diets, and are mentioned on all the BBC progs I have watched. But DUK strongly support PHE and the Eatwell plate, and statins too, DUK are also tied in to ASDA who fund some of their activities, especially publicity and in-store promotions (with carb heavy raffles on the stand). DUK are also consulted on gov health matters via PHE and NICE.Lots about the forum here though!
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