Some tests are like that, I had one test come back as “unremarkable”. I deviated as I believe I am remarkable lol. I wanted an A+ or somethingHi guys,
After a 2 week wait.. My results are in for the above test.
It just says 'satisfactory'
What on earth is this supposed to mean???? Other tests say 'normal'.
There are numbers but I don't understand.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
From my understanding, the results show that you are insulin resistant. Typical of T2s
Edit, I think this test is to rule out a T1 diagnosis..
others will probably know more
You could try booking an appointment to discuss the results with your GP. Here's some background information about the test and what the results may mean:- https://www.exeterlaboratory.com/test/c-peptide-urine/
Just this but no idea what it means and noone has been in touch. They never do tbh.
Urine C Peptide Urine C Peptide analysed by:
Clinical Biochemistry Dept
Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital
Urine C-peptide/creatinine ratio 6.85 nmol/mmol
Random Urine C Peptide 15.08 nmol/L
Urine creatinine level 2.20 mmol/L
Your results are normal rather than just above T1. The Urine C-Pep/CR Ratio need to be below 0.2 nmol/mmol for type 1. Anything above is normal. They should be interpreted with blood sugar and not on their own also.Hi. I also had my Urine C-Peptide tested this year by Exeter. Results were:
Urine C-Pep/CR Ratio 0.79 nmol/mmol
Random Urine C-Peptide 3.55 nmol/L
Urine Creatinine level 4.5 mmol/L
My C-Peptide is just above T1 level. As yours is a lot higher it seems to imply you are T2. The urine tests as opposed to blood serum are rather strange and consultants tend to use the Ratio as the determining factor for T1 versus T2 diagnosis rather than the C-Peptide. Creatinine is very variable from day to day so these measurements are not that accurate. My wife has just had a kidney transplant and I've learned a lot about Creatinine from her frequent blood tests! Incidentally my blood serum results from my annual tests show my Creatinine level to be very low (good) and yours appears to be even better.
Sorry I've tried so hard to sit on my hands following this, Can the test be wrong do you know?Your results are normal rather than just above T1. The Urine C-Pep/CR Ratio need to be below 0.2 nmol/mmol for type 1. Anything above is normal. They should be interpreted with blood sugar and not on their own also.
'The urinary C-peptide creatinine ratio is a practical non-invasive method to aid detection of absolute insulin deficiency, with a urinary C-peptide creatinine ratio > 0.2 nmol/mmol being a reliable indicator of retained endogenous insulin secretion.'
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23659458/#:~:text=The urinary C-peptide creatinine ratio is a practical non,of retained endogenous insulin secretion.
That paper you provided the link for is puzzling. It only used test subjects who are already using insulin treatment, so may not read across to T2D on orals. Not sure why they base predictions on this particular ratio. C-pep being low or close to zero is a marker for endogenous insulin deficiency, and will always dominate this ratio. i,e, 0 /n =0 regardless of n.Your results are normal rather than just above T1. The Urine C-Pep/CR Ratio need to be below 0.2 nmol/mmol for type 1. Anything above is normal. They should be interpreted with blood sugar and not on their own also.
'The urinary C-peptide creatinine ratio is a practical non-invasive method to aid detection of absolute insulin deficiency, with a urinary C-peptide creatinine ratio > 0.2 nmol/mmol being a reliable indicator of retained endogenous insulin secretion.'
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23659458/#:~:text=The urinary C-peptide creatinine ratio is a practical non,of retained endogenous insulin secretion.
The HOMA formula for beta-cell function are more useful in diagnosis rather than c-peptide as unless it's below 0.2 nmol/mmol (or really high) it won't be conclusive.I've always found the C Peptide a tad confusing. I remember at the start my Nurse said my C peptide level (from blood) was '149', I don't have a clue what measurements she was using but she said it was the 'low end of normal'. One of the antibody tests was positive too (GAD) and along with general presentation and an hb1ac of 16% and impending DKA, they said type 1. I still wonder about that Peptide test though (4 years ago) to the extent I may try and get it tested again.
Wow, so the test is useless.Unless it's at an extreme value, the c-peptide tells you very little. Take my results, at diagnosis cpep was "low", a couple of years later it was undetectable, a year ago it was "normal". Hang on, NORMAL? Test was redone, and came back normal again. My consultant was interested, and asked for antibodies. Positive. So according to the tests I'm a type one diabetic with normal insulin production.
My conclusion? Don't believe the cpep values.
Hi. Yes I've read all the blurb and papers about using the urine ratio and I believe it's highly suspect. I had a private blood serum C-Peptide done a couple of years back and it showed me just above the T1 level which doesn't compare with the NHS Urine ratio test result. I'm slim (BMI 22), my body fat and visceral fat measures are low using gym measuring equipment and I use quite high levels of MDI insulin otherwise my BS rockets up as my Libre 2 shows. I fit all the patterns for LADA. My Urine ratio results appear absurd? I plan to have another serum C-Peptide in the near future done privately to try to get a formal T1 diagnosis on the books then may be one day I can have a Libre 2 without self-funding itYour results are normal rather than just above T1. The Urine C-Pep/CR Ratio need to be below 0.2 nmol/mmol for type 1. Anything above is normal. They should be interpreted with blood sugar and not on their own also.
'The urinary C-peptide creatinine ratio is a practical non-invasive method to aid detection of absolute insulin deficiency, with a urinary C-peptide creatinine ratio > 0.2 nmol/mmol being a reliable indicator of retained endogenous insulin secretion.'
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23659458/#:~:text=The urinary C-peptide creatinine ratio is a practical non,of retained endogenous insulin secretion.
You need to use the HOMA calculations which are more helpful as they show deterioration of beta cells as a percentage. (What my specialist used normally but my insulin production was too low to use the formulas when I was first diagnosed.) Otherwise, you will have to keep having c-peptide tests, and just having inconclusive results, waiting until the day you only have trace insulin (c-peptide below 0.2 ng/ml) and high blood sugars.Hi. Yes I've read all the blurb and papers about using the urine ratio and I believe it's highly suspect. I had a private blood serum C-Peptide done a couple of years back and it showed me just above the T1 level which doesn't compare with the NHS Urine ratio test result. I'm slim (BMI 22), my body fat and visceral fat measures are low using gym measuring equipment and I use quite high levels of MDI insulin otherwise my BS rockets up as my Libre 2 shows. I fit all the patterns for LADA. My Urine ratio results appear absurd? I plan to have another serum C-Peptide in the near future done privately to try to get a formal T1 diagnosis on the books then may be one day I can have a Libre 2 without self-funding it![]()
Hi. Thankyou. I will have a look at the HOMA information. Life is difficult when diagnosed as T2 and with a negative GAD. My brief referral to the county diabetes team and consultant was fruitless as they are obsessed with GAD results and mine is negative. In my case I believe I suffered a virus due to a high white cell count shortly before diagnosis and viruses are one known cause of beta cell death but not widely recognised. Many aspects of diabetes remain in the early days of understanding.You need to use the HOMA calculations which are more helpful as they show deterioration of beta cells as a percentage. (What my specialist used normally but my insulin production was too low to use the formulas when I was first diagnosed.) Otherwise, you will have to keep having c-peptide tests, and just having inconclusive results, waiting until the day you only have trace insulin (c-peptide below 0.2 ng/ml) and high blood sugars.
The deterioration of beta cells isn't linear for type 1's. On diagnosis, my c-peptide was 0.17 ng/ml (type 1 diagnosis below 0.2) and blood sugar 18 mmol/l. I got my blood sugars down through low carb and running and one meal a day. My c-peptide plateaued for 2 years without changing. Then overnight my blood sugars shot up high with ketones of 5+, and I needed insulin and my c-peptide was 0.078 ng/ml (which is producing no insulin). I had GAD antibodies again (the first lot disappeared after 6 months) which supports my immune system killed off the rest of my beta cells. They did not deteriorate I just had two separate autoimmune responses killing them off on two different dates. This is on my specialist's report. I have private medical insurance so had an appointment every 3 months after I was diagnosed until I started insulin. I'm just looked after by the hospital team now (but my specialist is the head of the hospital team.)
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